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Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby TheUnknownofall » Sat May 18, 2019 4:45 pm

With this, I mean not of what you think of afterlife or what happens before.

Plain and simple, what is death to you?
Also yes, I am talking in real general terms not limited to animal, action or else.

Pherhaps what is the first thing that comes in mind, or what you see it as.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby Manners73 » Sat May 18, 2019 4:50 pm

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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby Brandon1 » Sat May 18, 2019 4:56 pm

Death is a loss of life, obviously. I try to avoid death.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby justonemoreperson » Sat May 18, 2019 4:57 pm

As a child I was taken to church, but it didn't take long to realise that if you search for truth you can't stop once you get an answer you like. As such, belief in any described god becomes irrelevant. Therefore, a theological afterlife is not possible.

I have two schools of thought that I believe to be most likely:

1. We just die. We know what death is like because when we sleep, not REM sleep but the real deep sleep, all consciousness stops, leaving on those autonomic functions to exist. At this point, our consciousness, therefore our 'being,' doesn't exist.

We live the following day, because the autonomic processes wake us up and the conscious connections begin again. Death means our body dies and the autonomic process to revive the consciousness stop, so consciousness never restarts. If our consciousness leaves to go somewhere else, then it would also do so when we're in deep sleep. Therefore: Death = death.

2. The world we're living in is a simulation and we have no idea what the non-simulated world is like or what our purpose is. We could even be AI characters created to play out scenarios, either as entertainment or as some simulation to fix a set of problems.

There's a surprising amount of evidence for this and it seems to fit the facts. Therefore, the afterlife would either be extinction if we're NPC's or possibly being woken up from some simulation to either the real world or a higher level if sim. Therefore: Death = there is no spoon; I mean, death.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby Brandon1 » Sat May 18, 2019 5:17 pm

justonemoreperson wrote:As a child I was taken to church, but it didn't take long to realise that if you search for truth you can't stop once you get an answer you like.

You can if the answer is true and you like it.

1. We just die. We know what death is like because when we sleep, not REM sleep but the real deep sleep, all consciousness stops, leaving on those autonomic functions to exist. At this point, our consciousness, therefore our 'being' doesn't exist.

No. To be is to exist and consciousness is only one aspect of our existence.

2. The world we're living in is a simulation and we have no idea what the non-simulated world is like or what our purpose is. We could even be AI characters created to play out scenarios, either as entertainment or as some simulation to fix a set of problems.

Explain how that's a possibility.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby Manners73 » Sat May 18, 2019 5:22 pm

justonemoreperson wrote:As a child I was taken to church, but it didn't take long to realise that if you search for truth you can't stop once you get an answer you like. As such, belief in any described god becomes irrelevant. Therefore, a theological afterlife is not possible.

I have two schools of thought that I believe to be most likely:

1. We just die. We know what death is like because when we sleep, not REM sleep but the real deep sleep, all consciousness stops, leaving on those autonomic functions to exist. At this point, our consciousness, therefore our 'being,' doesn't exist.

We live the following day, because the autonomic processes wake us up and the conscious connections begin again. Death means our body dies and the autonomic process to revive the consciousness stop, so consciousness never restarts. If our consciousness leaves to go somewhere else, then it would also do so when we're in deep sleep. Therefore: Death = death.

2. The world we're living in is a simulation and we have no idea what the non-simulated world is like or what our purpose is. We could even be AI characters created to play out scenarios, either as entertainment or as some simulation to fix a set of problems.

There's a surprising amount of evidence for this and it seems to fit the facts. Therefore, the afterlife would either be extinction if we're NPC's or possibly being woken up from some simulation to either the real world or a higher level if sim. Therefore: Death = there is no spoon; I mean, death.


When I was a lot younger I used to wonder whether I was just part of someone else's dream.

If I am it's a very long and boring dream. They must be in a coma.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby justonemoreperson » Sat May 18, 2019 5:36 pm

Brandon1 wrote:You can if the answer is true and you like it.


You can't say it's true without evidence and religion, by definition, has no evidence.

To be is to exist and consciousness is only one aspect of our existence.


We're not talking about the physical part of our existence, because afterlife presupposes that your physical body has died.

Explain how that's a possibility.


If you're interested, use Google.

Manners73 wrote:When I was a lot younger I used to wonder whether I was just part of someone else's dream.

If I am it's a very long and boring dream. They must be in a coma.


As a species, we're obsessed with simulation. We spend trillions every year and devote hours of our week, every week, immersing ourselves in non-reality. Simulations are getting better by the month, and VR hints at the possibility that one day we'll be able to create a virtual reality experience that's indistinguishable from reality. If we will, which we will, then what are the chances that we're doing it for the first time? As you say, it invades our dreams.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby Oblivion » Sat May 18, 2019 6:09 pm

Personally? An end. The end. It's that simple.

The end of a meaningless cycle. Fertilizer. A little more cash for the medical/funeral industry.

The best part will be finding out I was right about God.

justonemoreperson wrote:The world we're living in is a simulation and we have no idea what the non-simulated world is like or what our purpose is. We could even be AI characters created to play out scenarios, either as entertainment or as some simulation to fix a set of problems.

There's a surprising amount of evidence for this and it seems to fit the facts. Therefore, the afterlife would either be extinction if we're NPC's or possibly being woken up from some simulation to either the real world or a higher level if sim. Therefore: Death = there is no spoon; I mean, death.


Seriously? Coming from you, this surprises me.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby justonemoreperson » Sat May 18, 2019 6:32 pm

Why?
I'm not arguing; I'm explaining why I'm right.
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Re: Thoughts on Death as Death?

Postby Oblivion » Sat May 18, 2019 6:56 pm

Because it's nonsense.
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