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In your perspective, where's the line between abuse and ....

Postby NotAsCrazyAsIThought » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:32 am

...respectively playing/joking to abusively toying with people.
... to just a needed and fair punishment, like a sibling hitting and scaring the kid, or maybe even restricting the child.
(I think the sensible nature of every kid makes it seem worse than it actually is, so kid grows up thinking it was abused)

where's the line that defines what's abuse and what's not for you?

Not only in these situations, but many others like jobs, familiar stuff, relationships etc.

Keeping in mind that it's an abuser and abused situation, some people are prone to have a victimist mindset, and then they blame everything and everyone around them, then everything is abuse. Or they're just more sensible and/or less tolerant, so in their perspective, it is actually abuse.

On the other hand, some abusers "hurt" others because they're more tolerant, and generally takes things less seriously, so in their mind they're not really abusing, but just friendly playing with others.

the parent who thinks is doing the right thing, but in the kid perspective, it's a horrible thing. Is an example
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Re: In your perspective, where's the line between abuse and ....

Postby caspin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:13 am

NotAsCrazyAsIThought wrote:...respectively playing/joking to abusively toying with people.
... to just a needed and fair punishment, like a sibling hitting and scaring the kid, or maybe even restricting the child.
(I think the sensible nature of every kid makes it seem worse than it actually is, so kid grows up thinking it was abused)

where's the line that defines what's abuse and what's not for you?

Not only in these situations, but many others like jobs, familiar stuff, relationships etc.

Keeping in mind that it's an abuser and abused situation, some people are prone to have a victimist mindset, and then they blame everything and everyone around them, then everything is abuse. Or they're just more sensible and/or less tolerant, so in their perspective, it is actually abuse.

On the other hand, some abusers "hurt" others because they're more tolerant, and generally takes things less seriously, so in their mind they're not really abusing, but just friendly playing with others.

the parent who thinks is doing the right thing, but in the kid perspective, it's a horrible thing. Is an example

I joke around a lot but not with my family. Abuse is if you cant take the same treatment you are giving others.
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Re: In your perspective, where's the line between abuse and ....

Postby Poisonchocolate » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:13 pm

It becomes abusive when it continues even after the abuser is aware of the genuine discomfort it causes to the abused. If they aren't aware? Not abuse. If it doesn't truly cause genuine discomfort? Not abuse.
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Re: In your perspective, where's the line between abuse and ....

Postby NotAsCrazyAsIThought » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:00 am

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Re: In your perspective, where's the line between abuse and ....

Postby Manners73 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:40 pm

I can never work out where one ends and another begins.

My brother used to beat me up when I was a kid. He was 5 years older than me but I never saw it as abuse and I still have a hard time in accepting that it was abuse.

I'm quite similar in a sence that I can be just playing with a person and I'm later told that I've been really verbally abusive and hurt the persons feelings and I've not noticed because I'm too busy having my fun.

It's a difficult question for me to answer.
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Re: In your perspective, where's the line between abuse and ....

Postby solemnlysworn » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:47 pm

Abuse is a loaded word. It's hard to define abuse. Intent is less important than consequence. Normative ethics play an important role. Abuse violates some underlying right somebody has and it causes harm.
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Re: In your perspective, where's the line between abuse and ....

Postby xSid » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:38 pm

NotAsCrazyAsIThought wrote:...respectively playing/joking to abusively toying with people.
... to just a needed and fair punishment, like a sibling hitting and scaring the kid, or maybe even restricting the child.


Honestly I think that the word abuse is way overused. Things that were considered just normal, are now considered abuse. A sibling hitting and scaring his younger brother should not be considered abuse, but it is. Schoolmates playing and joking with each-other, it's now bullying

its a bit idk, I mean I was a kid in the 90s and two decades later everything that was considered normal back then it is now abuse, or a problem. Kid too hyper and doesn't care about the boring crap the teacher says? = kid has ADDD. Kid being a crybaby and a target to other kids? = kid is a victim and other kids are bullies

its kind of funny to me. I have witnessed the society becoming pussified in a matter of a couple of decades. People are becoming more and more spoiled, more and more dependent on laws and rules and authorities to defend them, ppl are becoming more an dmore pussies. "respect" for others has become like, idk granded, and not something that people earn. ANd the overuse of concepts like abuse, bullying, rape, racism, discrimination, etc have made a society that everyone thinks they are entitled to respect and to "personal rights and whatever the crap, that they don't even have to do something to defend themselves, to fight for themseles, they are just entitled to everything just because

It makes a society that produces good tools, good tax-paying, working machines and ppl who don't think and won't fend for themselves

-- Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:39 pm --

btw ^^ all this actually makes sense, but idk if it structured in a reasonable way, probably need to read it twice and ignore spelling to see that it makes sens
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