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Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby vcrpamphlet » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:02 pm

Please educate me.
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby justonemoreperson » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:06 pm

Conscience.
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby vcrpamphlet » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:08 pm

How does someone with autism interact with their conscience?

Is it like with a non?
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby solemnlysworn » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:12 pm

People with autism don't weigh intention in moral reasoning. It's all outcome based. So no not like nons.

If I accidentally hit someone in the face, nons would be more lenient because it was an accident than if it were a purposeful act. People with autism will judge harshly because I punched somebody in the face.

Studies were done on this but I'm not digging them out
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby easiersaidthandone » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:12 pm

Autism isn't on a spectrum with psychopathy. They are quite opposite in fact.

Autists have low cognitive empathy and normal/high emotional empathy; whereas psychopaths have low/no emotional empathy and high cognitive empathy.

Basically Aspies are socially retarded because they lack social understanding(cognitive empathy) whereas psychopaths are emotionally retarded because they cannot relate emotionally(emotional empathy).
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby justonemoreperson » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:15 pm

vcrpamphlet wrote:How does someone with autism interact with their conscience?

Is it like with a non?



I was tested for autism as a child; there are a lot of similarities, especially at a young age. From what I was told then and from experience with a family member who is autistic, one of the key differences is that autistic people might have a failure to recognise normal human reaction etc, and this might lead to anti-social behaviours but, after the event, an autistic child will feel deep remorse, almost devastating.

To get to the point where autism is so strong that it doesn't recognise the effect of conscience, the autism will render the person almost incapable of human interaction.
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby vcrpamphlet » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:17 pm

easiersaidthandone wrote:Autism isn't on a spectrum with psychopathy. They are quite opposite in fact.

Autists have low cognitive empathy and normal/high emotional empathy; whereas psychopaths have low/no emotional empathy and high cognitive empathy.

Basically Aspies are socially retarded because they lack social understanding(cognitive empathy) whereas psychopaths are emotionally retarded because they cannot relate emotionally(emotional empathy).


Alright, if you’re not feeling creative, let me help you:

If autism sits on a spectrum conflated with aspergers, then to what extent can various personality traits gain disorder potential?

I’d suspect the autism structure would be highly conducive to narcissism, for example.
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby vcrpamphlet » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:27 pm

justonemoreperson wrote:
vcrpamphlet wrote:How does someone with autism interact with their conscience?

Is it like with a non?



I was tested for autism as a child; there are a lot of similarities, especially at a young age. From what I was told then and from experience with a family member who is autistic, one of the key differences is that autistic people might have a failure to recognise normal human reaction etc, and this might lead to anti-social behaviours but, after the event, an autistic child will feel deep remorse, almost devastating.

To get to the point where autism is so strong that it doesn't recognise the effect of conscience, the autism will render the person almost incapable of human interaction.


Could it be possible then for either of these scenarios to arise:

(1) An autistic person with enough situational luck or emotional distortion to render their conscience detached or abstract, allowing them to accept a psychopathy misdiagnosis, that then leads to them internally rationalising future emotional responses in some kind of weird psychopathic self-context.

(2) A psychopathic person, especially one with a lower IQ, existing outside of an ASPD-conducive evaluation culture, which leads them to be misdiagnosed as having a unique variety of narcissistic autism.
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby justonemoreperson » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:34 pm

I have no idea.

There are many overlaps and most of them are based on development issues. It might be that psychopathy is some form of weird autism or Aspergers.
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Re: Where does autism end, and psychopathy begin?

Postby vcrpamphlet » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:39 pm

I’d say that’s a main contributor to the apparency of the condition on the whole, but malignant narcissism and even a well-seasoned sociopathic icehead can fit the same mold.

Between autism and the various structures of narcissism out there, there’s a chance that it’s a diagnostic fallacy.

-- Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:41 am --

Ergo, why it was absorbed into ASPD.

-- Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:45 am --

Forgot to add in support of that idea: Sam Vaknin, who identifies with and absolutely fits the criteria of malignant narcissism, who was shown to have a ‘psychopathic’ neurology under fMRI.
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