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Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby xcagedsilhouttex » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:11 pm

Is violence (as seen in PDs) a maladaptive behaviour or does the need to suppress violent urges become the origins of adaptive behaviour that later becomes maladaptive?

I know that in some cases, violence is unequivocally maladaptive as highlighted by violence instigated as part of gang membership however there are cases where a person is born with a natural inclination toward violent behaviour. In such cases, can the violent behaviour be considered maladaptive considering that the behaviour did not stem from adaptive behaviours in the first place?

Furthermore, is the suppression of violence in cases like these not more harmful in the long term? Any desire repressed will manifest itself in an extreme manner eventually. The sex addict who abstains and ends up in an orgy or the person on an extreme diet eating an entire cake. The same manifestations apply to any restricted desire including violence.

I would appreciate experienced based personal insight if you are willing to share.

This is not meant to be a post about what your violent fantasies are however you are welcome to mention them if they have relevance to the discussion.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby Reaper » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:37 pm

Physical violence is maladaptive in most situations outside of self-defense because people are supposed to learn better strategies to deal with conflict as they mature. With that said though, violence is a tool of survival that is needed in dangerous situations.

For example: in prison violence is used to settle conflicts and earn respect. It's a base animal instinct and in a prison environment you are pretty much an animal in a game of survival. You either adapt to that environment using violence when necessary or you become a victim of it.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby cutecactus » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:41 pm

I think the difference between a predisposition for controlled/uncontrolled violent urges is important. There are people who report blacking out while beating the $#%^ out of someone for example, doing things they genuinely regret later and they can't do much more than learn what their triggers are and try to control those. There are also people who are conscious during the entire thing, know exactly why they did it, wouldn't cross certain boundaries because their conscience or voice of reason is still reaching them, etc. For the first group of people it's not a desire. It's a brain malfunction. I can't imagine a baby being born with a desire for controlled violence. They're born with predisposition to develop the desire. So to answer your question, yes.

Reaper wrote:Physical violence is maladaptive in most situations outside of self-defense because people are supposed to learn better strategies to deal with conflict as they mature.

I agree with this. It's most healthy not to feel the need to be violent at all.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby xcagedsilhouttex » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:23 pm

I'll get to a proper reply later, just a note that when I am referencing maladaptive I am using it in a way that infers it needs to have been adaptive at some point. Just because a behaviour has a bad outcome does not mean it is maladaptive by the definition I have stated above (regardless of the literal definition).

Obviously violence is not a condoned healthy expression but what I would like to discuss is how repressing violent behaviour leads to more extreme violent actions.

I hope this makes it clearer.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby justonemoreperson » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:29 pm

Everyone is born with predisposed violence; it's instinctive in all animals.

As a child grows, it learns by conditioning that violence needs to be suppressed or expressed in less anti-social ways, so that violence becomes the exception rather than the norm.

People who express inappropriate violence as they mature into later childhood and as adults do so because they have failed to adapt, usually due to a developmental issue. They fail to adapt to conditioning.

When people are expected to express extreme violence, such as soldiers, they need to be almost conditioned back into a more primitive state to be able to suppress the conditioning. This is why the military requires strict discipline and adherence to ritualistic behaviour.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby cutecactus » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:52 pm

xcagedsilhouttex wrote:(regardless of the literal definition)

I understood that and find it kind of ironic you mention semantics because unless I misunderstand, isn't that pretty much all your question is about?

xcagedsilhouttex wrote:Obviously violence is not a condoned healthy expression

I can't think of anything healthy one might think or feel either to get to the point of it best being expressed by violence, excluding self-defense.

xcagedsilhouttex wrote:but what I would like to discuss is how repressing violent behaviour leads to more extreme violent actions.

By pushing the same buttons over and over and over again without a break or release.

You compared it to physical desires but the desire for violence isn't physical so the same rules don't apply. It doesn't build up in the same way. The only release from hunger is eating. Feeling violent can also be released by things other than being violent like idk feeling happy about something so it takes your mind off it, playing pretend through something like a punching bag or watching other people fight or things be destroyed by others, and so on, or something happening related to your motivation to want to be violent.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby xcagedsilhouttex » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:18 pm

@cutecactus it's not about semantics. I am looking for other's perspectives on the points I outlined. I just wanted to clarify that I am not looking for a reason behind violent behaviours or statements that violent behaviours displayed are not functional because the former is another discussion (although JOMP's post was an accurate description) and the latter is obvious.

It's largely a discussion around the repression of violence, the consequences of repressed violence and if the behaviour that comes out as maladaptive is caused by the initial urges that are repressed and manifest in ways out of control rather than the entirety of violence being maladaptive.

Your point of violence not being a physical desire is fair discussion. I disagree but I will get to that when I reply later.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby cutecactus » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:37 pm

Personally I think what kind of discussion you're asking for is still vague but maybe it's me because I usually have to reread your posts at least 3 times to understand them because of my English and your eloquence. Anyway I'll shut up until you write your reply lol sorry
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby xcagedsilhouttex » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:49 pm

I have such a headache. I will reply when my brain feels like it can brain again. Right now it needs more casual posting.
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Re: Is violence always a maladaptive behaviour?

Postby solemnlysworn » Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:31 pm

Depends. Does it get you hot?
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