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Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby AmirElAchmed » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:33 pm

To every pattern - in terms of cue application - there are always no less, and no more than 4 applicable words or cues.

This is the conscious process.

As to socialization - it is underpinned by emotions; emotions toward one another.

Quality of sexual contact and interaction - is also predicated on emotions.

If we're taking a cue based approach to this - there are EXCLUSIVELY, 4 words that have emotional inheritance.

Just four - in the entire English vocabulary.

That are emotionally relative - in terms of how, when spoken to oneself - they resonate - or feel.
Not allude - but how they feel - when spoken to oneself.

They are;

Incite Jealousy, Force Union.

I'm sure the logic is apparent.

The first phrase - is consistent with flaring the emotions to the greatest possible level.
The second - whilst highly emotionally relevant, is aimed at consolidating a bond.

That is to say - when someones emotions become flared to that extent - their tendency is to retreat, withdraw, they may hate you.
But - via application of behavioral force - we not only not endorse that - but we consolidate a bond.

Kind of like - infusing them with electricity they can't resist.

Thus, sexual gratification.
"Force Union, Incite Jealousy" - each cue, resonates with emotion of varying intensity

Starting with the lowest, progressing incrementally to the highest

Cumulatively forming an emotional dynamic - AKA - a personality
Engineered to perfection

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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby PavlovsPuddyTat » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:10 pm

What is your argument exactly ?
(I’m sorry but I see absolutely no apparent logic in your statements , you may reformulate if you wish to so)
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Postby Fool » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:56 pm

PavlovsPuddyTat wrote:What is your argument exactly ?
(I’m sorry but I see absolutely no apparent logic in your statements , you may reformulate if you wish to so)


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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby AmirElAchmed » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:25 am

PavlovsPuddyTat wrote:What is your argument exactly ?
(I’m sorry but I see absolutely no apparent logic in your statements , you may reformulate if you wish to so)


Cues.

Are you familiar with cues?

Actors use cues.
Weightlifters use cues.
Golfers use cues.

Etc.

They are words - which we say to ourselves whilst performing an activity - which influence how we perform that activity, in the most intrinsic possible way.

Socialization - how we conduct ourselves socially - we could argue, it's whole purpose, everything we do socially - is ultimately a precursor to having sex.

Good sex.

If we conduct ourselves socially - in such a way that lends itself to having the best possible sex - we will be most socially acceptable and successful.


In perspective of this - re-read the initial post.
"Force Union, Incite Jealousy" - each cue, resonates with emotion of varying intensity

Starting with the lowest, progressing incrementally to the highest

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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby PavlovsPuddyTat » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:44 am

AmirElAchmed wrote:
PavlovsPuddyTat wrote:What is your argument exactly ?
(I’m sorry but I see absolutely no apparent logic in your statements , you may reformulate if you wish to so)


Cues.

Are you familiar with cues?

Actors use cues.
Weightlifters use cues.
Golfers use cues.

Etc.

They are words - which we say to ourselves whilst performing an activity - which influence how we perform that activity, in the most intrinsic possible way.

Socialization - how we conduct ourselves socially - we could argue, it's whole purpose, everything we do socially - is ultimately a precursor to having sex.

Good sex.

If we conduct ourselves socially - in such a way that lends itself to having the best possible sex - we will be most socially acceptable and successful.


In perspective of this - re-read the initial post.


I still don’t know the basic problem behind your statements and how you think those different things hang together so I am guessing here .

It seems to me that you try and to figure out the meaning of social life (for yourself) and you have arrived at the conclusion that good sex is the ultimate purpose (—> why?) . You suggest that to get good sex one has to follow social codes of conduct ( —- seems to be a reasonable assumption). Then you suggest that acceptable social codes of conduct can be performed if repeating cues for oneself during social interaction/ performance —> this sounds like you are trying to figure out a model for yourself to function socially in order to get good sex.

If you think your socially successful behaviour that lead to good sex hinge on repeating cues for yourself when interacting socially you seem to have some personal problems with social interaction (I am guessing here as I don’t know the background to why you write this post).

If you have come to the conclusion that good sex is the purpose of social interaction that may be so for you. But there are plenty of people that socially interact without such purpose. People socially interact with plenty of people with whom they have no interest in having sex with. Family, friends, colleagues , course mates etc. There are people that are asexual or just have no particular inter at in sex. What about the elderly- many people lose their interest/need to have sex. Etc

So when it comes to this you seem to have quite a Darwinistic idea about what human sexual nature is all about in the social. Perhaps that perspective fits your idea about the purpose of social life for you.

Then you tie this to language cues - as a tool/help for your own (I assume) successful social conduct. I follow the idea that cues are of key importance in communication between people. Signalling messages to one another verbally (directly and indirectly) and no -verbally (gestures and body language).

The memory-related aspect of cues is also something you lift here above it seems. You do not reallg make a clear distinction between cues in relation to memory/memorising and cues for communication and successful interaction purposes. It is implied and I’m not sure if you have a clear idea about the different functions there. But there are different areas of research that deal with these things bar might be if interest for you to get into.

I am not really sure about the scientific basis for the concept of NLP - Neurolinguistic programming But when mention sports I get to think of NLP. There are NLP sports coaches that coach athletes and part of that training is to develop cues to automatically trigger a physical /mental state that aims for top performance . It can be to trigger body memory by standing in a Certain posture. You can see that some athletes make sertein movements sometimes before performance. It is very possible that those have been “programmed” through NLP coaching. The NLP coaching literature is packed with info about this, but NLP as a scientific field - not sure about that. Psycho-linguistics is probably area that ties in with his and there is research on how cues affects memory and learning in infants . You may get further ideas there.

When it comes to actors I think if communication cues where one actor signals to another to do something - that is verbal and non-verbal cues. Here is also linguistics and overlap with social science research. Communication studies get in on this. You can also get into theatre - plenty of litt on theatrical practices.

I’m not sure about your issue but I guess you struggle with social interactiob and try to find a way to manage. Why not joining an amateur theatre group. I played in one for several years in my teens and that really created an impact on my self-esteem in social situations. The theatrical world is also very openminded and welcoming when it comes to people that deviate from what is concidered “normal social behaviour”. We had someone that had cycloid psychoses joining our group. We all behaved a bit odd and embraced that as well- made it even more extreme and enacted that through so called invisible theatre (look up book written by Boal on invisible theatre) - playing on the streets, cafes , open venues . Also arranged plays. I think self-esteem is an important factor - one do not have to change ones ways entirely in order to be socially accepted. Self-esteem shines through. Self -esteem +deviant behaviour can very well become interesting and trigger curiosity in others.

Perhaps I have assumed to much and much if this do not apply to your text but that how it goes with bipolar brains and association-chains . :mrgreen:
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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby AmirElAchmed » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:38 pm

It seems to me that you try and to figure out the meaning of social life (for yourself) and you have arrived at the conclusion that good sex is the ultimate purpose (—> why?) . You suggest that to get good sex one has to follow social codes of conduct ( —- seems to be a reasonable assumption). Then you suggest that acceptable social codes of conduct can be performed if repeating cues for oneself during social interaction/ performance —> this sounds like you are trying to figure out a model for yourself to function socially in order to get good sex.

If you think your socially successful behaviour that lead to good sex hinge on repeating cues for yourself when interacting socially you seem to have some personal problems with social interaction (I am guessing here as I don’t know the background to why you write this post).


From the youngest age - I very naively assumed that, when a man and a woman dated - they automatically had free reign over each others bodies. They had sex - the sex was good, and that was why they were in a relationship.

From a still young age - the more grim reality became apparent; security, companionship, co-dependence, conforming to societal norms and expectations; sometimes sex might not even be present - a situation I was not thrilled about, and certainly not willing to partake in.

I noticed with my adoption of this mindset - deviation from said societal norm - the nature of all my relationships seemed to change.
With family - friends etc.
I began to form friendships with different groups of people I hadn't previously done or even considered - and liaise with females socially, on a much more physical and fleeting level.
I also changed my lifestyle dramatically, the way I ate, the way I spent my time - the very nature of how thought.

I say this - by way of alluding to - what is in my mind, the fact - that our attitude to sex and sexuality is pre-eminently defining in terms of our overall disposition and nature our character.

If you have come to the conclusion that good sex is the purpose of social interaction that may be so for you. But there are plenty of people that socially interact without such purpose. People socially interact with plenty of people with whom they have no interest in having sex with. Family, friends, colleagues , course mates etc. There are people that are asexual or just have no particular inter at in sex. What about the elderly- many people lose their interest/need to have sex. Etc


No comment.

So when it comes to this you seem to have quite a Darwinistic idea about what human sexual nature is all about in the social. Perhaps that perspective fits your idea about the purpose of social life for you.


It is my contention that - the nature of our social conduct - is effectively an extrapolation of our sexual mindset.

Then you tie this to language cues - as a tool/help for your own (I assume) successful social conduct. I follow the idea that cues are of key importance in communication between people. Signalling messages to one another verbally (directly and indirectly) and no -verbally (gestures and body language).


Here's where it gets a little more complex.
Cultures - nature/nurture, subcultures - the family unit; what gives us definition; our religion, our beliefs. Previous trauma, neuronal wiring, sexual abuse and its profound cascade effect (again, pre-eminent definition of our sexual attitude).

The memory-related aspect of cues is also something you lift here above it seems. You do not reallg make a clear distinction between cues in relation to memory/memorising and cues for communication and successful interaction purposes. It is implied and I’m not sure if you have a clear idea about the different functions there. But there are different areas of research that deal with these things bar might be if interest for you to get into.


Both - they are memorized/learned and implications understood - and they directly affect our communication/interaction, our behavior, the way we think, perhaps most importantly - our emotional response, and the emotions we induce.
Our ability to be assertive without being nasty or unbecoming - by example.

I am not really sure about the scientific basis for the concept of NLP - Neurolinguistic programming But when mention sports I get to think of NLP. There are NLP sports coaches that coach athletes and part of that training is to develop cues to automatically trigger a physical /mental state that aims for top performance . It can be to trigger body memory by standing in a Certain posture. You can see that some athletes make sertein movements sometimes before performance. It is very possible that those have been “programmed” through NLP coaching. The NLP coaching literature is packed with info about this, but NLP as a scientific field - not sure about that. Psycho-linguistics is probably area that ties in with his and there is research on how cues affects memory and learning in infants . You may get further ideas there.


NLP/psycholinguistics - yeah - I don't want to overly jargonize things; that sounds very complex and intellectual but - I prefer to simply describe the process as, the use of cues.

The first cues I ever used were in athletic/sport areas - and I had never heard of anyone using cues previously.
I just found them highly effective - as you describe.
I continue to use and develop cues for athletic activities - to high effect.

When it comes to actors I think if communication cues where one actor signals to another to do something - that is verbal and non-verbal cues. Here is also linguistics and overlap with social science research. Communication studies get in on this. You can also get into theatre - plenty of litt on theatrical practices.


Here - you seem to be referring to a different type of cue; like, I don't know - pull on your ear to signal.

That's not what I'm referring to at all.

When I say "cue", I refer exclusively to words repeated to oneself - that may affect what you're referring to - outward "cues"; like eye contact, body language etc.
In effect - we control the outward cues, via inward cues.

I’m not sure about your issue but I guess you struggle with social interactiob and try to find a way to manage.


Again - we can't really boil it down to one simple line.

The aim, the purpose - is, social and sexual competency.

The ability to reliably induce high emotion, and sexual gratification in a sexual partner - via inwardly applied cues, affecting outward cues (and everything else - refer back to pre-eminent definition).

And more ultimately - establish a greater sense of autonomy - less reliance on cliques, cultures, groups - more social competence, etc..... the pattern should be evident.
"Force Union, Incite Jealousy" - each cue, resonates with emotion of varying intensity

Starting with the lowest, progressing incrementally to the highest

Cumulatively forming an emotional dynamic - AKA - a personality
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The product - induction of eye rolling sexual gratification
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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby RogueKing » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:54 pm

Your talking about smv(sexual market value) but use vague words like body language, eye contact, emotional contagion, and good sex, yet you do not go over how to improve these things to increase your smv which leads me to believe you don't actually know how to really go about it.
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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby AmirElAchmed » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:11 pm

RogueKing wrote:Your talking about smv(sexual market value) but use vague words like body language, eye contact, emotional contagion, and good sex, yet you do not go over how to improve these things to increase your smv which leads me to believe you don't actually know how to really go about it.


SMV - I like it.

How to improve the SMV.

That's actually the first thing I, "went over".

You use cues;

Emotionally relevant words you repeat to yourself, that influence how carry yourself, dress, speak, make eye contact, regard others, and most importantly - the emotion you induce in others - but really, everything; pre-eminent definition.

The cues are;

Incite Jealousy
Force Union


It takes a little while to
1) memorize them and become accustomed to how they feel.
2) remember them and become comfortable with them.a
3) become comfortable with how they affect behavior and the variation in interpersonal responses they elicit.

Whilst this process is taking place - a current "transduction", as it were, of behavior takes place, where all those things, body language, eye contact, emotion responses etc - become modified, according to the cues.

Similar to how a sports person would use cues to affect their disposition - as PavlovsCat outlined.
"Force Union, Incite Jealousy" - each cue, resonates with emotion of varying intensity

Starting with the lowest, progressing incrementally to the highest

Cumulatively forming an emotional dynamic - AKA - a personality
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The product - induction of eye rolling sexual gratification
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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby RogueKing » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:33 pm

AmirElAchmed wrote:Incite Jealousy
Force Union
Those words might mean something to you, but they won't to anyone else. If you want to be more attractive then you learn how to do just that - repeating a couple of "magic" words won't make anyone a better lover. And if you really think so, well I got some snake oil I'd like to sell you.
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Re: Governing dynamics of socialization revealed

Postby AmirElAchmed » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:48 pm

RogueKing wrote:
AmirElAchmed wrote:Incite Jealousy
Force Union
Those words might mean something to you, but they won't to anyone else. If you want to be more attractive then you learn how to do just that - repeating a couple of "magic" words won't make anyone a better lover. And if you really think so, well I got some snake oil I'd like to sell you.


That's very possible.

What they mean to me - they may not matter a damn to anyone else.

However - I am of the opinion the core principles as to sexual gratification - regardless of the cue application - are consistent.

Good sex - cannot be had - without high emotion.

If you think so - then I suspect your woman has been fooling you all these years; as many women are fooling their men - lol.


Nothing - NOTHING - raises emotions, sends emotions through the roof - like jealousy.

Give me that at least.

Can we at least agree on that?

If your girlfriend dumps you - what do you do?
You hook up with another girl and get as sticky as socially acceptably possible with her, right in front of your ex.
NOTHING, will get her attention better.

Obviously I'm being a little facetious but - you get the idea.


Past this - a man must forcefully consummate the bond between man and woman - but only after a flaring of her emotions.

Many many - many many many people - may not agree with that - but, I guess that's why social dynamics are not well understood.
"Force Union, Incite Jealousy" - each cue, resonates with emotion of varying intensity

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