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Empathy = discrimination

Postby ScottTheSculptor » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:04 pm

You have empathy and ego
or
Logic and compassion.

there are no other choices

Psychology uses the word empathy to describe the pack-modifying emotions.
If you are autistic you have no empathy. Autistics are independent minds.

Empathy is positive towards members of your pack and negative against members of another pack.
Only an empathic human can be a sadist. Only they can truly hate.

Autistics don't discriminate. No one individual or group has rank.
Mother Teresa was autistic. Treated everyone equally and is the symbol for human compassion.

Empathy is evil.
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Re: Empathy = discrimination

Postby EmpathySucks » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:42 pm

Disregard my forum name for a moment, what the ###$?
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Postby IceBlock » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:47 pm

ScottTheSculptor wrote:You have empathy and ego
or
Logic and compassion.

there are no other choices

Psychology uses the word empathy to describe the pack-modifying emotions.
If you are autistic you have no empathy. Autistics are independent minds.

Empathy is understanding how others feel. Nons can understand each other, schizoids can understand each other. Because they are alike. Empathy is overrated - nons can't imagine how we "feel" just like we can't imagine how they feel.

Empathy is positive towards members of your pack and negative against members of another pack.
Only an empathic human can be a sadist. Only they can truly hate.

True. Not to mention they want us to understand them but they are not really willing to understand us...

Autistics don't discriminate. No one individual or group has rank.
Mother Teresa was autistic. Treated everyone equally and is the symbol for human compassion.

Empathy is evil.

Mother Teresa was far more evil than empathy is :]
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Re: Empathy = discrimination

Postby WichitaLineman » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:06 pm

Scott:

What is the basis for a compassionate act if not some sort of empathy? (Just saying "logic" is a cop-out without providing equations :wink: ). Why is it strictly "logical" to be compassionate?

I think you can make an interesting argument that empathy and evil are two sides of the same coin and therefore inextricably related. I also think you can make the case that the concept of empathy can be abused and misused, especially politically. But empathy itself as evil? I don't see the logic.
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Postby IceBlock » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:47 pm

WichitaLineman wrote:I think you can make an interesting argument that empathy and evil are two sides of the same coin and therefore inextricably related.

Empathy is just a tool. But a tool can be used for evil purposes (hurting others). OR good ones (helping people in need).
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Re: Empathy = discrimination

Postby WichitaLineman » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:02 pm

Maybe we should all agree on a common definition:

Merriam Webster wrote:"Empathy: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this."


So...empathy itself is more of a "personal capacity" than a tool or weapon that might be brandished.
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Re: Empathy = discrimination

Postby ScottTheSculptor » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:45 pm

To me the biggest confusion is in how the word "empathy" is used far more generally than the specific way that psychologists use it.

Ego and empathy are part and parcel of the pack-mind delusion mechanism.

A compassionate individual does not weigh the merit of their acts based on who is in which pack.
It is logical to help others, so that you may be helped.
It is the opposite of compassion to let someone suffer soley because they are in another pack.

Empathy is a pack delusion modifier so once a pack or pack member identifies and excludes "the outsider" they have their "hate and prejudice is proper" label. And it will not likely change.
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Postby IceBlock » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:59 pm

@WichitaLineman
It's the same I think. It's a tool/ability, like intelligence. You can't say intelligence is evil, but it can used for evil purposes too.

ScottTheSculptor wrote:Empathy is a pack delusion modifier so once a pack or pack member identifies and excludes "the outsider" they have their "hate and prejudice is proper" label. And it will not likely change.

Not all Nons are like this. Only the primitive ones (many, but still...)
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Re: Empathy = discrimination

Postby ScottTheSculptor » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:25 pm

Yea verily.

the thing is . . .

purely independent-mind and purely pack-mind are abnormal.

Most people mix and match :-)

Just *way* less purely independent "adults" than all other types.
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Postby under ice » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:26 pm

Are you sure that your definitions of empathy and compassion are accurate?
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