Question for schizoids only

Without fantasy, a schizoid has little reason to exist.

I have my own fantasies. I'm not lost in them and I don't have be in fantasyworld all the time to function. But without the ongoing dramas and plots and characters I've imagined, there would be nothing to latch my feelings on to.

biscuits wrote:Without fantasy, a schizoid has little reason to exist.

I have my own fantasies. I'm not lost in them and I don't have be in fantasyworld all the time to function. But without the ongoing dramas and plots and characters I've imagined, there would be nothing to latch my feelings on to.

This is a summarised diagnosis. The fear of letting go of the content. A fantasy is not fundamentally different from any normal delusion. Normal people cling to each other, a schizoid clings to fantasy. Clinging is probably involuntary. I see the content as posessions. There in need to indulge in the content, identify with it, there is no need to guard it, there is no need to defend it. Once you let go of it, you will realise it's worthless and prevents you from having an authentic life experience.

Bhagavati wrote:

biscuits wrote:Without fantasy, a schizoid has little reason to exist.

I have my own fantasies. I'm not lost in them and I don't have be in fantasyworld all the time to function. But without the ongoing dramas and plots and characters I've imagined, there would be nothing to latch my feelings on to.

This is a summarised diagnosis. The fear of letting go of the content. A fantasy is not fundamentally different from any normal delusion. Normal people cling to each other, a schizoid clings to fantasy. Clinging is probably involuntary. I see the content as posessions. There in need to indulge in the content, identify with it, there is no need to guard it, there is no need to defend it. Once you let go of it, you will realise it's worthless and prevents you from having an authentic life experience.

I take it you are not schizoid, as you seem to lack a fundamental understand of the schizoid personality. And I can assure you, that most of the schizoids who roam this part of the forum are a lot less delusional than you. Thanks for your concern, anyway.

Cirvante wrote:I take it you are not schizoid, as you seem to lack a fundamental understand of the schizoid personality. And I can assure you, that most of the schizoids who roam this part of the forum are a lot less delusional than you. Thanks for your concern, anyway.

I never stop people in their fantasies about me, i seem to many lacking of all kinds. Explaining oneself, passing a judgement or many other comparative or interrelative things i don't do in years. I just gave people who are able to read messages without emotions an advice to try to give up mind content maybe for few hours maybe for few days just to see what it's like not to drag inside yourself something which seems to be valuable content. It is an ancient yogic tantric technic practiced in meditation or yoga nidra. I have practised yoga for years and found it very helpful in dealing with my SP, however i was not never disorderly or medicated for it. In heavy cases like that of course one should use one's own discrimination.

Bhagavati wrote:

Cirvante wrote:I take it you are not schizoid, as you seem to lack a fundamental understand of the schizoid personality. And I can assure you, that most of the schizoids who roam this part of the forum are a lot less delusional than you. Thanks for your concern, anyway.

I never stop people in their fantasies about me, i seem to many lacking of all kinds. Explaining oneself, passing a judgement or many other comparative or interrelative things i don't do in years. I just gave people who are able to read messages without emotions an advice to try to give up mind content maybe for few hours maybe for few days just to see what it's like not to drag inside yourself something which seems to be valuable content. It is an ancient yogic tantric technic practiced in meditation or yoga nidra. I have practised yoga for years and found it very helpful in dealing with my SP, however i was not never disorderly or medicated for it. In heavy cases like that of course one should use one's own discrimination.

I was just curious about how you would react, if slightly provocated.

Actually, I have tried out Zen meditation at one point, but it is just unrewarding and boring. Self-hypnosis is a lot more appealing to me, and I can't even bring myself to practice it regularly. You may have found your own way of dealing with it, but don't expect that your way is appliable to everyone else. Daydreaming is a great way to alleviate boredom as long as you manage to separate it from reality. If you don't, it may become a delusion.

But saying that fantasy generally is a delusion would be like passing judgement, and you don't do that sort of thing, right?

Cirvante wrote:I was just curious about how you would react, if slightly provocated.

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Delusion is a psychopathological fantasy. I think we're not realizing this here on this thread. Everyone has fantasies (and if you don't, hey! you may just be nuts too!). However, not everyone has delusions. A fantasy is a willful excursion into an invented pseudo-reality with full knowledge that it is not real and has no effect on what is real. A delusion is when that wall breaks: what you dream up is no different in your mind than what is actually real. If this sounds familiar, it's because it's a defining trait of psychosis. There is no evidence that people who fantasize frequently are any more likely to develop psychotic symptoms than those who do not.

Fantasy: "Sometimes when I'm bored I think about how epic it would be if I was some secret agent for an underground organization."
Delusion: "Every day I relay information I've gathered on my neighborhood to the chief of my department of a clandestine group."

We understand now?

Nineteen wrote:Delusion is a psychopathological fantasy. I think we're not realizing this here on this thread. Everyone has fantasies (and if you don't, hey! you may just be nuts too!). However, not everyone has delusions. A fantasy is a willful excursion into an invented pseudo-reality with full knowledge that it is not real and has no effect on what is real. A delusion is when that wall breaks: what you dream up is no different in your mind than what is actually real. If this sounds familiar, it's because it's a defining trait of psychosis. There is no evidence that people who fantasize frequently are any more likely to develop psychotic symptoms than those who do not.

Fantasy: "Sometimes when I'm bored I think about how epic it would be if I was some secret agent for an underground organization."
Delusion: "Every day I relay information I've gathered on my neighborhood to the chief of my department of a clandestine group."

We understand now?

I relay information off-planet. That's why they're always on my balls. The only way to hide is to get the diagnosis... you see? By being diagnosed, they're off my back.

Bhagavati wrote:Normal people cling to each other, a schizoid clings to fantasy.
Once you let go of it, you will realize it's worthless and prevents you from having an authentic life experience.

The last statement may be a motivational speech for those schizoids who desire help, but it does not apply to all schizoids.
While i am no better than those schizoids that desire help, my fantasy world is built from authentic life experiences.
The clones constructed for the memories of feelings, places, experiences, and from personal interaction; serve a valid purpose for me, and are not worthless. (to others maybe)
Clones exhibit the best attributes of people.
These clones allow me to carry out my day to day tasks, reducing the tension when having to deal with outer world people or situations.
The clones motivate me, to take care of the outer world things, so that the inner world may survive. (health, job, relaxation)

Please, brauden your perspective.