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Schizoid, or Aspergers?

Postby PBNJ » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:41 pm

For as long as I can remember, I've been happiest in a solitary position in a controlled environment (such as my room, an empty house, etc.) where no one could bother me, where I was completely at ease to do whatever I please; be it reading, information browsing, watching anime and movies on my computer, playing with my cat, listening to music, other such activities. Even as a young boy I preferred simply to be by myself, other people and children simply felt like they were bothering me, disturbing the inner peace I strived to create. I had a few close friends growing up (One had ADD, one was easy to manipulate, one was a 'smart kid', the ones I have now are a guy I suspect to have Aspergers Syndrome and another semi-compulsive anime fan like myself).

In 7th Grade I spent almost every lunch eating by myself, until a few guys decided to befriend me out of pity. Even when I was trying my hardest to integrate with them, I was still picked on and didn't feel like I was part of their group, I was simply there because it was asked it of me. In Grade 8 I was somewhat popular, it was here I met my two close friends today, and I also became friends with stoners. In Grade 9 I hung out with the stoners more, and ended up picking up a smoking habit because of it, along with being insulted and demeaned by them numerous times. I don't know what I was thinking, I figured a boy my age needs friends and at the time they were the only people with my lunch. I started simply going home for lunch, and slowly broke off any contact with the people I knew. I never hung out after school, never went to parties etc.

Around here I started to resolve that socialising was unnecessary, that I would be perfectly happy if I was simply left alone. For the entirety of Grade 10 I always went home for lunch, though occasionally I would bring over one of my close friends. When I was with my close friends in class I was somewhat talkative, but in classes without them I was very quiet. For the most part I grew very attached to isolating behaviours; my room is my place of solace, and when my family has left me alone in the house, then the entire house becomes a happy place for me. I can never be at ease around people, even around my close friends I can only endure their company for so long until I want to be alone. I hate it when people come into my room, when people draw me out of my room, when people ask me to go outside the house. I only like to leave the house to buy books, food, games, anything I necessarily need. I rarely even speak with my own family, I dislike speaking with my parents and only on occasion do I ask my brother how he is. Generally when guests are around I'll avoid even greeting them, or I will try to make it as quick and concise as possible. I do not like talking to people in my daily life at all, in fact I very likely prefer being alone and DO NOT feel lonely or depressed, as some people in my situation might.

Keep in mind I am only 15, and understand it takes longer than such an age for a personality disorder to develop. This is part of the reason I suspect myself of having Asperger's Disorder as apposed to schizoid personality, or possibly an amalgation of the two. I suspect Asperger's Disorder because of the way I enjoy fixating on one thing, like a certain anime I like, a certain subject, I've become interested in psychology too, however for somebody suspecting mental disorders of themselves this can only be considered natural. I've been part of an AS forum for some time, and find I can relate to them well, and share many of the same feelings and confusions over the intricacies of social interaction they do. I also share some of the clinical features, a sensitivity to certain noises (I can't stand any sort of distracting noise, it tend to piss me off), I have the 'stimming' behaviours, and I generally dislike touching, being touched, or being around other people.

Because of my suspicions, I've gone ahead and spoken to my doctor to get a diagnosis for Asperger's Disorder. If I'm schizoid, I don't think any such diagnosis is necessary. However, like any self-absorbent person I have a keen priority on understanding myself, this being one of them.

So to people who do know they are schizoids frequenting this forum, do I sound like one of you?
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Postby DarthFenrir » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:22 pm

You sound exactly like me(17 btw), I believe it is possible to have mild aspergers as well as schizoid.
Try taking this test and see how you score, I got around 100.
http://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php
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Postby insomniakat » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:10 pm

I'm not so sure about this test. I'm definitely not Aspie, but my results were:

Your Aspie score: 106 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits
Meh.
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Postby PBNJ » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:02 am

I've taken that test multiple times, and scored within a range of 132-140. Chances are schizoids could easily score within the neighborhood of 90-110 based on personality and behavioural factors alone, my score is likely increased to due sensory issues and acts of perserverance.

I do however, second the opinion that a schizoid can have aspie-traits. In the older times before Asperger's Syndrome was discovered by Hans Asperger, it was referred to as 'Schizoid-Personality' of the childhood. Theres a rather interesting study over here which shows the difference between clinically defined autistic and schizoid children. The schizoid personality and the autistic psychopathy are no doubt similar in appearance, but the underlying causes and outcomes differ in some respects.
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Postby solitaire » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:11 am

Have you seen this? http://web.syr.edu/~rjkopp/data/as_diag_list.html

People suffering Asperger's seem to have some language difficulties and repetitive, inflexible functioning that I can't relate to but there are traits listed there that you could take out of context and easily apply to schizoids.
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Postby PBNJ » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:18 am

Hmm... considering myself a probable aspie I've researched the subject inside and out. As for inflexibility and repetitiveness, I do so some signs of that sort of behaviours. I have an obsession with factoring the numbers, if I go for a walk outside I end up factoring at least 10 different road signs, licence plates, address numbers and inside the house I factor my clock whenever I look at it etc. and have been doing so for the last month or so. I HATE noise, I wear earplugs/headphones inside my house fairly often to block out noises, or at the very least turn on my fan all the time to block out other sounds. I have dressed in a somewhat systematic manner my whole life, I only wear 3 pairs of jeans and I only have 5 shirts, they're all I need; I also recall a time during my childhood wear I would very carefully fold up all my clothes and then stack them in a very specific order before I would shower, I still do this sometimes to be honest. When I'm inside the house, I ALWAYS put on my pajamas, and I have a great disdain of wearing socks, even to the point of not wearing them while wearing shoes outside. At school sometimes I sit in peculiar positions, with my feet on top of the chair, with my toes directly under the legs of the chair, with my feet folded into eachother on top of the chair etc. and also do so at home. I always require my door to be closed, and I've actually screamed at my mother a few times because she did something like turning off my fan, or opening my windows when I left it closed, she just doesn't understand how important the way I set up my room is to me. I tend to organise things in the house when I see them unorganised, disorganisation tends to make me feel mentally ill at ease; an example of this is this Saturday when I re-organised my mom's bookshelf simply because I looked at it, another example in my childhood was when I had a period of constantly arranging the pillows on our sofa a certain way, and becoming distressed when they were rearranged somehow. I have a small misunderstanding of language, sometimes I take very long pauses in conversations in order to properly articulate myself, other times I simply can't understand a simple instruction and ask questions about it to make sure I understand it fairly carefully. And as I think I've mentioned earlier, I do exhibit the stimming behaviours and have done so since I was young; I wring and play with my hands fairly often, continuously rub and scratch something, sometimes I rock back and forth or side to side, bounce my legs, bite my hands or fingers, swing my arms around for no apparent reason etc.

Sorry for the length, but I wanted to give a fairly concrete picture here. I want you to keep in mind that everything described isn't as rigid as it sounds, but I've done all of them at some point, certain things more often than others.
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