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Postby r » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:41 pm

according to this blog entry, a number of well known people were schizoid or schizoid-like. it refers to this page, but the solitary type appears to be more or less compatible with the definition of spd. it lists one of my favourite writers, ezra pound, so that's somehow interesting to me.
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Postby Joel Overbeck » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:05 pm

I think it’s not a great idea to be a schizoid and create theories that project a schizoid psychology.


I agree with him, particularly in the respect of social theories such as Marx's. That's why when I write I imagine a schizoid reader. Which, by the way, is my hostile, impossible to satisfy superego. That bastard can't stop insulting me when he rewrites my drafts.

Generally speaking, the most intelligent people in the world are introverts, but not even half of them are schizoids. It's clear why schizoidism would contribute to Darwin's and Newton's findings. If you like to read, I suggest you to try Kafka and Fernando Pessoa, two almost archetypical schizoids. I love Kafka; unfortunately, his stories lack a couple of revisions. Pessoa's Book of Disquietude is almost a diary of a patient with SPD.

About Pessoa, I agreed with the following review of a guy from Amazon: "Pessoa calls Prose "The Dark Clouds of My Horizon" and how aptly too. Nobody writes about the human condition, the bleak, despairing but ever beauteous state of our mysterious lives quite the same way as Pessoa. This is existentialism without the bitterness, the anger and ultimately the denial. This is the documentation of a man who pours out his soul to the world without resorting to pathetic calls for sympathy. The usual blend of inane and manufactured pathos that seem to plague everybody else. This is a man, a man of incredible moral courage and spiritual strength, reporting from the depths of his reflections with no pretensions of offering hope or heartwarming, feelgood sentiments. This is, in short, prose (or poetry) of the highest order. This book is not recommended for everybody, only for people who dare to face their lives and live to their fullest potential."

If you like Somerset Maugham, read The Razor's Edge. The guy he based the character of Larry Darrell on, who impressed Maugham so much he wrote a whole book about him, is quite clearly a schizoid. I'd love to hear some thoughts on the matter, but I identified with every decision the character took. In any case, it's a good way of knowing what "normal" people think about us.

EDIT: By the way, great blog.
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Postby r » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:06 pm

I read the process a few years ago. it's a classic, I guess, but I don't care much for social criticism like that. it just doesn't hold my attention. I was very young, and my taste had not developed much, so perhaps today I would be able to appreciate it as art, no matter how uninteresting the political side of it is.
pessoa is great, though.

it wasn't your wording, but what do you mean by projecting schizoid psychology? and within what field - polito-social science as with marx?
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Postby Joel Overbeck » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:51 pm

r wrote:it wasn't your wording, but what do you mean by projecting schizoid psychology? and within what field - polito-social science as with marx?


Schizoids, and intelligent people in general, can detect patterns most don't see. We won't believe in a doctrine because people have done it for decades or centuries and we won't respect someone because he's got a title, money or a lineage. I don't buy the law of the majority, nor I think it makes the truth. I don't believe in God, I dislike religions and I can't stomach the Vatican's hypocrisy. I don't think democracy is the best form of government available and society should just give stability to the sole objective of a human being, that is finding the path to oneself. This whoring for money leeches men until they retire and wake up to the fact that they don't know who they are, where they stand and what they believe.

But we shouldn't project these conclusions in a society model in which the church is abolished, or every religion for that matter, where money has no value, where people have no power to decide for themselves because the government knows what's better for them. It would play great for me and for some schizoids. Lots of people find solace in religions and reasons not to kill their families and eat their flesh, which is good. They should never touch the laws nor try to impose their idiotic viewpoints, such as the creationist craze in the states; still, they would play an important role in society. It wouldn't try to shoehorn people into one kind of movement or ideology (such as socialism). Given a reasonable set of laws, which would be questionable and debatable, everyone would act however they see fit.

Some human natures and customs are impossible to reconcile, and we should acknowledge this. We will never have a society where everyone fits its place nor where throwing a load of cultures together will somehow blend into harmony (multiculturalism will be the downfall of Europe, I'm telling you). It's as bad to export our brain structure into a rule for everyone as it is for extroverts to force us to be team-oriented, money-driven, dancing and jumping asswipes.
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Postby Knlys » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:15 pm

Joel Overbeck wrote:(multiculturalism will be the downfall of Europe, I'm telling you).


I mostly agree with the rest of your argumentation, but I don't quite get this part. Can you explain your point of view?
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Postby phineas » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:20 pm

According to what blog? What am I missing?

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Postby Joel Overbeck » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:25 pm

Europe is falling into a spiral of sacrificing our rights, such as free-speech, freedom of religion and separation of church and state, so immigrants from third world countries can live here and practice their former customs even if they enter in conflict with our laws. They are the ones that should adapt to us, but the politically correct trend is to bend over to avoid cries of racism and xenophobia.

To remember a recent example: German judge defends muslim wife-beaters.

Phineas wrote:According to what blog? What am I missing?


Move the mouse over the 'this' word in 'according to this blog entry', from r's post.
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Postby phineas » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:42 pm

Thanks, Joel

Just finished America Alone by Mark Steyn on the subject of Europe's multiculturalism and ...well...blindness. Very sad. We'll miss you.

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Postby r » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:58 pm

Joel Overbeck wrote:Schizoids, and intelligent people in general...
I completely agree with all of this. while I do not care about what is legal and illegal myself, I see it as important for society as such, since it helps the less intelligent have meaningful lives. that's why I believe that a system such as fascism (or nationalist theocracy/traditionalism) is the best for society - it keeps the general public in line and does not confuse them (such as multiculturalism and modern, liberal concepts of "personal freedom" does), and gives the elite of society some space for exploring and creating.
unfortunately, this is unheard of in modern europe where liberal capitalism and individiualism are the new gods.
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Postby Joel Overbeck » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:20 pm

phineas wrote:Just finished America Alone by Mark Steyn on the subject of Europe's multiculturalism and ...well...blindness. Very sad. We'll miss you.


I can't for the life of me begin to understand why this blind multiculturalism would help us in any way. It looks so clearly that those who impose it are harming Europe that I'm at odds. Do they believe that if we put the other cheek they will finally think being european is great or something like that?

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect it has to do with the fact that rampant anti-americanism and anti-capitalism is the in thing now, and which better way to show it that submitting to its enemies. Our current president, Rodríguez "peace is the absence of opposition to socialism" Zapatero is one of the worst examples of a weak and unintelligent leader that holds this viewpoint nowadays in the continent.

r wrote:I completely agree with all of this. while I do not care about what is legal and illegal myself, I see it as important for society as such, since it helps the less intelligent have meaningful lives. that's why I believe that a system such as fascism (or nationalist theocracy/traditionalism) is the best for society - it keeps the general public in line and does not confuse them (such as multiculturalism and modern, liberal concepts of "personal freedom" does), and gives the elite of society some space for exploring and creating.


I was thinking on the line of some sort of meritocracy. For example, decisions concerning economy would be taken by councils of economic scholars, no matter their political orientation. Best professionals of the country in every field of expertise.

I admit I haven't researched this enough, though. I planned on reading on the subject for the next novel, if I don't change my mind.
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