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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby Blank2908290 » Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:02 am

Is the APA in consensus with this no medication works BS?

Edit* Medication is advised against for people with SPD. However I believe that medication on an 'as needed' basis could help alleviate some symptoms of anxiety and other temporary issues and the DSM is in aligment with that mindset.

I disagree with that completely. I was given depakote and risperdal and I had tons of energy. I even managed to do really good work in the kitchen of a popular hotel for a month, before I grew weary, even then I didn't quit until a year later. Which I think is saying a lot...a kitchen is a noisy and stressful places, lots of equipment and people. People always buzzing in and out. I don't think the medication could enable a person to work there ad infinitum, rather I'm saying it could improve one's domestic life greatly and that is something to cling to as far as I'm concerned.

Edit* Risperdal increases prolactan which decreases sexual pleasure, by counter-acting with dopamine. If you're experimenting, avoid use of risperdal! Depakote on the other hand increases dopamine and could be a miracle-drug for the anhedonia, lack of pleasure and motivation that strike us disinterested schizoids down. If we had motivation, relationships put on the back burner, schizoids would have generous amounts of time to pursue great fantasies, research and other scholastic work.
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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby Sakaitree » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:03 pm

Ok, I had never heard of schizoid personality prior to a couple weeks ago. Although I have quite a lot in common with the list of symptoms that this forum and other sources provide. My understanding is that schizoid traits are characterized by emotional unavailability, reclusiveness, etc. But because schizoid personality "disorder" is on the schizophrenic spectrum, one would expect some strange psychosis-type symptoms as well. That leads me to my questions...

Do/have any of you experienced a strange change in your visual perceptions and sense of self that last for a short (10 minutes or so) amount of time?...It's sort of like the world becomes a movie and your body feels like deadweight. I have experienced this throughout my life since I was about 15 (I'm in my 20s now). Is there a name for this?

Also, some of my research indicates that schizoids can have extremely paranoid & psychotic reactions to psychedelic drugs...including if not especially marijuana. This has been my (limited) experience. Can any of you speak to this?...I feel weird using pot as a diagnostic tool, but I have only used it twice and both times I had extreme psychosis as a result of one hit.
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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby SteelSovereignty » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:43 pm

Sakaitree wrote: Do/have any of you experienced a strange change in your visual perceptions and sense of self that last for a short (10 minutes or so) amount of time?...It's sort of like the world becomes a movie and your body feels like deadweight. I have experienced this throughout my life since I was about 15 (I'm in my 20s now). Is there a name for this?

Also, some of my research indicates that schizoids can have extremely paranoid & psychotic reactions to psychedelic drugs...including if not especially marijuana. This has been my (limited) experience. Can any of you speak to this?...I feel weird using pot as a diagnostic tool, but I have only used it twice and both times I had extreme psychosis as a result of one hit.


Yes, I have experienced a weird variety of these visual distortions and perception shifts, I've even tried to look them up on more than one occasion and came up with nothing. For me the visual happens slightly more often then the perception shift. It's sort of like when you get a headrush and everything goes kinda ... out of focus and wavy (if that makes any sense). Often this happens when I am trying to focus on something, like when I'm reading. The perception shift can accompany that, or present on its own. I imagine it's very similar to what people with depersonalization experience, kind of like I am watching myself.

As far as weed goes I have not experienced anything close to what you have, typically I enjoy the disorientation and care-free feeling that go along with getting stoned. Although, I should mention that a couple times weed has K.O.'d me, one time I passed out standing up and smashed my head on cement. I attribute that more to the fact that I have rather thick blood and weed is a blood thickener.

I am interested to know how many others have experienced this.
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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby Sakaitree » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:18 pm

Thanks for your response. Though, no one else seems to be visiting this thread. Perhaps I will repost as a new thread.
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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby le_scaphandre » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:53 pm

Sakaitree:

Yes, I think "brief psychotic episodes" are common among some schizoids.

Also, the experience you are describing sounds like depersonalization, which is also one of the symptoms of SPD.
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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby joaocastilho » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:42 pm

Hi everyone,

Medication has helped me a lot.
I'm now taking sertindole 4mg (Serdolect) + fluvoxamine 150mg (Dumyrox) + sertraline 75mg (Zoloft) + cloxazolam 2mg (Olcadil).

However, I almost can't reach an orgasm (and when I do, I don't ejaculate). My libido is almost null. I think I should try bupropion (Wellbutrin).

What about you? :wink:
I'm an insipid schizotypal (passive-detached). I have schizoid, melancholic, dependent features.
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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby HappyAlone » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:32 am

I'm pretty sure I have this as well, as I tick all the boxes, but I think I am a secret schizoid. I have been raised to be polite and friendly to people all the time, so have created this outer personality that looks normal and 'together'. But internally I thrive in my own fantasy world, would prefer to not have any friends (as I am emotionally distant from them anyway) as it is draining and feels so fake to me. I have had depression and anxiety for years, and I wonder now if it has anything to do with having to wear this 'mask' of happiness and social norms? I guess I've become what my family and friends expect me to be, especially being a Christian. But it doesn't really feel like me. I hate socialising and being in big crowds, but I force myself to do it, because I've thought it's what I 'should' do. After learning about SPD, it's like a light switch has gone on, and suddenly I want to throw off the mask and be who I really want to be.
Today I had a plan to overdose on a lot of pills, but the only thing that kept me from not doing it was my volunteer work at the local SPCA with the animals there. I find my solace being with animals instead of humans, and it was like, if I can just be with animals from now on, I might be okay...
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Re: My view

Postby Chan » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:10 pm

franknhonest wrote:I don't view being Schizoid as a personality disorder, and I certainly have nothing but disdain towards the idea of "treatment". There's nothing wrong with us, thank you, we're just different from you!
Disorder seems to presume that the person having it finds it a source of marked distress and, frankly, I don't see my SPD as a problem.

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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby Chan » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:12 pm

Butterfly Faerie wrote:Symptoms

People with schizoid personality disorder do not have schizophrenia, but it is thought that many of the same risk factors in schizophrenia may be factors causing schizoid personality disorder. Relatives are not thought to be at risk for developing this disorder.

What follows is a brief overview of the cause of schizophrenia in an attempt to explore what may be the cause of schizoid personality disorder.

The cause of schizophrenia has not yet been determined, although research points to the interaction of genetic endowment and major environmental upheaval during development of the brain. Lines of research involving genetic studies and evidence for neurodevelopmental disruption are beginning to converge: neurodevelopmental disruption may be the result of genetic and/or environmental stressors early in development, leading to subtle alterations in the brain. Furthermore, environmental factors later in development can either exacerbate or ameliorate expression of genetic or neurodevelopmental defects. The overarching message is that the onset and course of schizophrenia are most likely the result of an interaction between genetic and environmental influences. The results of this research may in part be applicable to causes of schizoid personality disorder.[/color]

Diagnostic Evaluation

A psychological evaluation may be performed; questionnaires and personality tests aid in the diagnosis. To be deemed schizoid personality disorder, symptoms must not occur solely during a schizophrenic episode.


Treatment

People with this disorder rarely seek treatment. The treatment can be difficult due to their initial reduced capacity or desire to form a relationship with a health professional. A non-intrusive support group can alleviate feelings of solitude and fears of social interactions and close relationships. Individual therapy, in most cases, has proven relatively ineffective and often temporarily addresses immediate conditions instead of seeking to terminate the disorder entirely.

Medications

Medications are not usually recommended as treatment for schizoid personality disorder. However, they are sometimes used for short-term treatment of extreme anxiety states associated with the disorder.

Psychotherapy

Individual therapy that successfully attains a long-term trust level can be useful in some cases of schizoid personality disorder by providing an outlet for patients to transform their false perceptions of friendships into a genuine relationship. As a therapist-client relationship develops, the patient may begin to reveal imaginary friendships and terrors of dependency. Individual psychotherapy can gradually effect the formation of a true relationship between therapist and patient.

Group therapy in people with schizoid personality disorder is another potentially effective form of treatment. Although patients may initially withdraw from the therapy group, they often become more participatory as a comfort level is gradually established. Protected by the therapist who must safeguard schizoids from criticism from other group members, patients have the opportunity to conquer fears of intimacy by engaging in communication and making social contact in a supportive atmosphere.

The social consequences of serious mental disorders—family disruption, loss of employment and housing—can be calamitous. Comprehensive treatment, which includes services that exist outside the formal treatment system, is crucial to ameliorate symptoms, assist recovery, and, to the extent that these efforts are successful, redress stigma. Consumer self-help programs, family self-help, advocacy, and services for housing and vocational assistance complement and supplement the formal treatment system. Consumers, that is, people who use mental health services themselves, operate many of these services. The logic behind their leadership in delivery of these services is that consumers are thought to be capable of engaging others with mental disorders, serving as role models, and increasing the sensitivity of service systems to the needs of people with mental disorders.

Personally, I find it offensive to use schizophrenia (which SPD is not) to try to explain SPD.
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Re: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Postby Platypus » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:39 am

Chan wrote:Personally, I find it offensive to use schizophrenia (which SPD is not) to try to explain SPD.

Why? Which part/passage offends you?

As the cause(s) of schizoid personality disorder is not known, this seems quite a valid statement to me:
What follows is a brief overview of the cause of schizophrenia in an attempt to explore what may be the cause of schizoid personality disorder.


I've heard there is a greater occurrence of SPD among people with one or more schizophrenic parent than among people whose parents are not schizophrenic, which suggests a possible genetic link between the two disorders. Furthermore, the diagnosis of SPD requires that schizophrenia be first excluded. So to me it seems quite relevant to discuss SPD in relation to schizophrenia.
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