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Photographs,drawings,videos - What's acceptable? May Trigger

Postby sprooglestrewft » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:12 am

I can proudly say that I have no interest in illegal pornography, mostly because I've never been a huge fan of nudity. Non-nude images are much more of a weakness however. This has led to me being banned on another site for linking several times to innocent photographs of little girls in bikinis.

I used to spend hours at night looking for YouTube videos of girls mostly ages 5-12 fooling around in tiny shorts/skirts/bikinis. Some of these images/videos which I have found on totally legal modeling sites are enough to cause me serious arousal, more so than what most nude/illegal images would. Heck, I only have to see their faces sometimes to be enchanted.. and get an erection (especially if their hair is wet. :oops: )

The videos on YouTube are becoming easier to find because often the girls themselves are the ones putting them online and other users keep playlists of these videos designed especially for minor attracted people.

Is it acceptable in your opinion to look at these pictures/videos? Is anything acceptable to look at or should anything involving children be avoided? I'm Interested to hear everyone's opinion.
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Postby rainbowstar » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:21 am

"Acceptable" hasn't any meaning. Slow down and look at what's going on phenomenologically:

I observe such-and-such, (I see..., I hear...; I think and tell myself...). I feel angry/anxious/ashamed/ease,/glee/etc.

What's "bad" is when the parasympathetic nervous system is activated (fight, flight, freeze & seek and hoard); there is adrenaline and cortisol in the blood; there are sensations of urgency, anxiety, anger, self-loathing, guilt....

What is "good" and ok is when the parasympathetic system is disengaged and the the sympathetic nervous system comes into the foreground (tend & befriend); there is oxytocin and vasopressin in the blood; sensations of ease, joy, care,and happiness are experienced...

Depending on if watching dancing girls on YouTube is experienced as fun and touching happiness -- or as an addictive process, determines if the behavior is "acceptable" or not...
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Postby sprooglestrewft » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:35 am

rainbowstar wrote:
What's "bad" is when the parasympathetic nervous system is activated (fight, flight, freeze & seek and hoard); there is adrenaline and cortisol in the blood; there are sensations of urgency, anxiety, anger, self-loathing, guilt....

What is "good" and ok is when the parasympathetic system is disengaged and the the sympathetic nervous system comes into the foreground (tend & befriend); there is oxytocin and vasopressin in the blood; sensations of ease, joy, care,and happiness are experienced...

Depending on if watching dancing girls on YouTube is experienced as fun and touching happiness -- or as an addictive process, determines if the behavior is "acceptable" or not...


Way to be logical and to the point. What you described is how I feel about morality/ethics in general (in the utilitarian sense.)
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Postby HesDeltanCaptain » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:55 am

Would differentiate between 'acceptable' and 'legal.' Not familar with Youtube (old pc can't view flash-based content by and large,) but have seen the 'ptnn' type content. I'm not a fan. Since 3d cgi sorta porn got good (1st generation stuff was unviewably bad,) real-people porn but for the occasional vid (like 70s era sorta porn of the legal variety) doesn't show up in my collection. In highschool I was, back then I had everything...But I experienced the same sorta guilt post-climax others often do with such material that over time, and as 3d animated alternatives got better looking, migrated completely.

For me, viewing any sort of ptnn content, even if technically legal, presents ethical issues. The models involved are being used for content with no real value except as technically-legal child erotica. Whereas hand-drawn hentai/manga, or computer-generated 3d type content involves no one except the artist and is thus no more objectionable than stick figures from the 'internet porn simulator' from that South Park episode. :) May look very realistic, but since it isn't using real people is both legal, and guilt-free. For now. Suppose emphasizing the guilt-free aspect will ensure the anti-porn types lobby it away eventually, but for right now federal US law has it legal.

(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
(9) “identifiable minor”—
(A) means a person—
(i)
(I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or
(II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and
(ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and
(B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.
(10) “graphic”, when used with respect to a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, means that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area of any depicted person or animal during any part of the time that the sexually explicit conduct is being depicted; and
(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

Above is the classification anime et al. falls under (11). 3d cgi is a bit of grey area and think some places have already made it illegal even though real minors aren't involved by virtue of it being 'too good.'

So ptnn stills or video may be legal, but it's not also acceptable. And a relevant quote comes to mind:

"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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Postby cybergenesis » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:46 pm

sprooglestrewft wrote:I can proudly say that I have no interest in illegal pornography, mostly because I've never been a huge fan of nudity. Non-nude images are much more of a weakness however. This has led to me being banned on another site for linking several times to innocent photographs of little girls in bikinis.

I used to spend hours at night looking for YouTube videos of girls mostly ages 5-12 fooling around in tiny shorts/skirts/bikinis. Some of these images/videos which I have found on totally legal modeling sites are enough to cause me serious arousal, more so than what most nude/illegal images would. Heck, I only have to see their faces sometimes to be enchanted.. and get an erection (especially if their hair is wet. :oops: )

The videos on YouTube are becoming easier to find because often the girls themselves are the ones putting them online and other users keep playlists of these videos designed especially for minor attracted people.

Is it acceptable in your opinion to look at these pictures/videos? Is anything acceptable to look at or should anything involving children be avoided? I'm Interested to hear everyone's opinion.


*removed by mod* People who are sexually attracted to children and spend hours and hours like you admit obsessing over pictures of them for the purpose of masturbation are not popular with the general community. Get help.
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Postby rainbowstar » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:29 am

cybergenesis wrote:*removed by mod* People who are sexually attracted to children and spend hours and hours like you admit obsessing over pictures of them for the purpose of masturbation are not popular with the general community. Get help.

I've taken notice of your posting. Minor Attracted Adults are an extremely vulnerable group who need support, not trolling.

http://youtu.be/SC_tkdg9sZU

I've reported you to the board admins.
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Postby Simontheo » Fri May 03, 2013 3:06 pm

Like I always tell my best friend... and I quote "Kids are much cuter in clothes, they just are." Now whether this is wrong or right depends on the person. But I'm very happy you aren't looking at child porn. I personally look at boys playing, drawing, reading, doing whatever isn't sexual just because it brings a smile on my face :), but I don't masturbate at those photos, they hardly get me aroused. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with what you're doing because
a) You aren't hurting any girls
and b) It's not illegal. (The non nude images)

But to each it's own. PM me if you have any questions or just want to chat :)

-- Fri May 03, 2013 3:09 pm --

rainbowstar wrote:
cybergenesis wrote:*removed by mod* People who are sexually attracted to children and spend hours and hours like you admit obsessing over pictures of them for the purpose of masturbation are not popular with the general community. Get help.

I've taken notice of your posting. Minor Attracted Adults are an extremely vulnerable group who need support, not trolling.

http://youtu.be/SC_tkdg9sZU

I've reported you to the board admins.


Don't mind "cybergenesis" he probably just needs helps, and he's a troll too.

@rainbowstar, I agree with you. Thank you for reporting him. His posts have been bugging me!
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Postby Siamese Fever » Fri May 03, 2013 7:52 pm

I myself have modded a few of my singleplayer video games for the purpose of satiating my pedophilia every now and then. Sex, drugs, murder, cannibalism, and scanty clothing. I sometimes go in and design myself a desirable companion to play with. Sometimes I get a little attached.

I figure it's okay, because I'm not hurting anyone, nobody is being exploited, and I have almost complete control over it.
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Postby HesDeltanCaptain » Fri May 03, 2013 7:58 pm

Last sex game I saw was Leisure Suit Larry. But from what I've gathered from my torrent use for music and the odd porno is there are Japanese made 3d games specificly for this sort of thing. Not sure of their legal status, but if not using photography would think they're legal. Might be a good outlet for such desires. Reality being the bad outlet.
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