Better late than never? You guys really went off on a tangent in my absence, rather rude. Forewarning for length.
[quote=heracles]So I'm "not allowed" to diagnose myself? [/quote]
No, you are not. Only medical professionals can "diagnose". Making reasonable assumptions about one's mental/physical health is not the same as diagnosis, particularly in terms of psychology.
Who says?
Medically trained professionals, particularly the American Psychiatric Association.
I don't need "the trained" to know I'm a covert narcissist. It's overwhelmingly obvious to me. If somebody doesn't believe I am, fine. I'm not trying to join a club, just understand myself. I can't say I'm happy, but I feel a lot better knowing what I am.
Glad to hear it. I think you are still missing the point, though. (Oh well, too late for me to respond, really.)
SBBro wrote:no one likes an n
This is massively insulting and potentially hurtful to people. Narcs are people too.
why take it off all together why not just leave it?
The reason it was removed is the same reason as other formerly named PDs were removed (or rather changed to Trait Dimensions). However, NPD has remained after some "campaigning".
As a side note, I don't think the APA gives a poop about the "hurt feelings" of the individuals whose disorders were removed. Their reasoning for inclusion/removal was medical or empirical, not about validation.
addx wrote:IMO, powerfull narcissists themselves forced to remove it so they can't be diagnosed crazy.
Foolishness. Most Narcs aren't diagnosed anyway, because you have to actually go to the doctor to get diagnosed. Secondly, a diagnosis means absolutely nothing if you get up and never return to treatment - it's not like a psychotic disorder for which you can be sectioned.
IMO NPD is a growing phenomena and a result of a narcissistic world environment that has come to be in recent times. IMO NPD parents ALWAYS breed NPD children. It is only lucky that a lot of narcs don't see a point in breeding. NPD husbands cause NPD in their wifes IMO.
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Hooboy. This isn't the thread to argue about this, really, so I'll just say "I disagree".
Also I wish people would stop using terms like "ego" and "id". But that's another story.
Jatin wrote:First of all using HE all the time is WRONG....
There are girls also with this disorder.
Thank you.
Next, abused can show signs of N temporarily but not permanently. There is a situation called PTSD Post traumatic stress syndrom.
Indeed, even healthy individuals can use narcissistic defense or have narcissistic personality traits. (PTSD doesn't just "go away" though.)
The problem here is that Ns think that there is only ONE point of view and that is their and it is FINAL and that every one must think like them.
Just a note: I don't think this and never have. I'm well aware other people have different points of view, even if I believe mine is the "correct" one.
I cant say Ns need to understand that, but I cant because they are incapable of understanding anyone else's view point.
Again, this is the same pessimistic, finger-pointing attitude I see so much on this board. If you truly recognize NPD as a mental illness, then let's not tell people they are "incapable" of improvement.
addx wrote:It's your problem you need to diletantly diagnose your ex as NPD. Figure it out already.
(Personally I think that "victims" of NPD persons should go get their own damn board.)
The problem is you trying to achieve a situation where you as a self-declared normal person have the right to invalidate anything a self-declared or diagnosed NPDer says. You ask NPDers questions and then explain to them that their brain doesn't work and they should simply listen to you.
This has been a huge problem on the NPD board, as well as with NPD and indeed all mental illnesses in the Psych ward. Our opinions don't count cuz we're crazy. It's better with some disorders now, though.
Jatin wrote:And slowly I got a point where I saw that she fit perfectly with NPD.
Not arguing with your personal experience, since I don't know you or your ex, of course -- but we get a lot of people on this forum who say this. It is really easy to convince oneself that one's exes have all kinds of problems, and that a failed relationship is the other person's fault. I hate-hate-hate threads on this board about "my NPD ex", because they aren't helpful to anyone, including the person posting, since all they do is validate the blame-game and do nothing to help a person's breakup/healing process, as well as continuing to spread misconceptions about NPD.
During the three months I used to get irritated easily, and I shpwed some signs of depression and I think I became like an N temporarly, Although I was still a lot better than most Ns but I had some similarities. But after understanding the whole tjing I was back to normal.
Again, everyone uses narcissistic defenses sometimes. I wish people would understand this and disconnect it from NPD.
This thread was supposed to be for DSM-5 discussion, by the way.