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Re: Covert narcissim, can't make friends/human connections

Postby Skitterish » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:33 am

thanks for the compliment realityhere. interested to hear about you. Have you experienced loneliness as well, what are the results of your efforts to overcome that?

"but it's hard work to make changes in behavior because the therapists can't do that for you"
Yup,aint that the truth. what behaviour changes have you successfully made that gave you the results you wanted & established friendships?

"... But once you do understand your triggers, socializing with others can be managed to an extent"

when you say socializing can be managed to an extent, what results have you achieved.. do you have a social life, social circle/s that are manageable and satisfying to you these days? are you/were you cptsd talking from experience.

Re your hobbies qtn, what to say? of course. I consider having hobbies/interests rudimentary life skills and being able to talk about them & likes/dislikes rudimentary social skills. In other words, it goes without saying, of course I have that covered. I'm interested in what your individual achievements are in developing healthy friendships.. for all this work you suggest, what results (how many friends, acquaintances, networks, close friends or what quality are those relationships) have you got today that you didn't have before you did the work?

hi vertices,
"Do concrete actions that have objective value to others."
some concrete examples, especially form your would life would be appreciated to bring this statement to life. Did you struggle to do this yourself as an introvert or are you an extrovert, easily focused on garnering attention/value from lots of people much of the time?

Some "I" statements would be welcome friends! I'm interested in your experiences (to be hoenst, I probably already know all the theory).
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Re: Covert narcissim, can't make friends/human connections

Postby Camber » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:53 am

Skitterish wrote:Hi all, I suspect I have covert narc traits.

I'm very socially awkward, fear/distrust people & the social world & can't make friends or establish human relationships. I avoid people mostly but I was unbearably lonely & isolated so tried to overcome all this. For the last 2 years I’ve made big efforts to socialise & deal with my social anxiety, still not able to make any friends. And Avoidant pd doesn't quite ring true. I'm very reserved & quiet compared to gregarious folk but beneath the surface... I'm very angry, resentful and fed up, often feel envy and with each new rejection feel entitled to more than zero status & zero affection (especially from my family).

I used to think I was extremely empathetic, sensitive and supportive. To the point of feeling like a doormat, the only attention (supply?) I ever garnered was when people would dump/confide their most torturous problems on me, for like hours. Then when I'd contact them to do something fun/healthy like see a movie or coffee they totally rejected me. I came to resent feeling used in this way – this kind of interaction was my only social life & human connection, I even got a job where this was my main duty because I figured at least I'd get paid for it & some training about how to deal with feeling constantly used/dumped on. I got high praise in that job for my listening skills but quickly got emotional burn out & had to stop. Now I’m not sure if I ever felt empathy or if suffering/torment was just familiar, the only feelings/human experience I could understand. Now I feel ill/impatient/angry when people start to divulge their problems onto me, I don't have any empathy I just want them to stop. I resent the expectation that women (I’m middle-aged) are maternal and caring, I’m tired of being nice.

I also have tonnes of rage and anger and easily feel envy for people who have what I don't - supportive family, friends, a social life, good looks, success in their recovery (e.g. from depression, anxiety). Everyday anxieties – especially interpersonal - often escalate into terror, or rage, that are hard to calm.

I figured if I could establish a social network I’d be more stable & less desperate. But after 2 years I haven't made any friends and don't feel much better about myself. There's been a lot of rejection - clearly when I turn off the 'empathetic listener me' there isn't much that's likeable about me as I can't get any friendship established & don't really know why. I’m trying to work on my social skills. What’s more troubling is that shyness & social inexperience don’t seem to explain my isolation, it's becoming clear to me that I'm some kind of monster not just shy.

I do feel like a victim, angry that my family don't care about me or ever want to see me. But I feel I have this secret identity that I can’t express - the real me is angry, resentful & wants to lash out at people, tired of being nice.. that would make me the abuser not the victim. That troubles me.
Thanks for listening, any replies are welcome.

I can relate to this big time. Over time i find myself showing a bit more narcissistic altho im really somewhat or a sap of a guy. I shed tears at movies and some songs that hit close to home. But i find it hard to express emotion to people so i think i come of somewhat cold. Slowly ive drifted away from friends and Im not very close to anyone at work which i find results in bitterness and frustration. Im new to the forums and havent really browsed thru the NPD much yet because im not sure how much it applies to me but the covert narc somewhat does. My question is wouldnt you have to have the inability to feel empathy to be a covert narc and do you feel any empathy? I find being shut in and stuck in my head brings out some ugly thoughts could that be the case?
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