octopuslol wrote:Approval-seeking Schema: http://healingschemas.tumblr.com/post/9 ... ing-schema
Now this one is narcissistic. We all have this one to varying degrees, since we're all a tad narcissistic. But at the severe end of this schema, you're dealing with pathological narcissism. So yeah, a codependent having this schema at the severe end would be narcissistic. Otherwise, perhaps not.
octopuslol wrote:Personally, I prefer the schema approach when it comes to defining these things.
OneRinger wrote:There is a thing though, about co-dependance in relation to narcissism, which was probably proposed by Vaknin, that there are some people that are both covert narcissists and co-dependent, and will seek narcissist to live their own narcissism by proxy.
OneRinger wrote:I believe the couple in House of Cards fit quite well that pattern. Not that the wife is particularly self-sacrificing, but she acts the part. Clearly she has the same ambition as her husband though, but she is happy to have second role, but still she wants it to be important.
As for the Self-Sacrifice, it is not necessarily grandiose, but can easily be, and if the person expect either gratitude or recognition for it, it is also entitled.
This being said, I believe the subjugated would be more common when it comes to relationships with someone highly NPD pathological. We are talking about long term relationship though, obviously, not a fling of a year or two, or less.
Après L Orage wrote:It wasn't proposed by Sam Vaknin, I assure you. It is the very definition of the Closet Narcissist by James Masterson.
Après L Orage wrote:I can tell you're making a point. I just want to be extra sure which.
Are you saying that you prefer schemas over a list of symptoms because you think that the best way to define a maladaptive mechanism is by delineating its cause rather than the way it expresses itself?
whichway wrote:I guess my questions in all of this are:
Is codependency a precursor to NPD? As in, is there a blending between the two?
Does that mean that the grandiose fantasies arise from a codependent state and then distinguish NPD from codependency?
I could see the grandiose self accounting for the discrepancies between codependency and NPD.
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