VioletAasA wrote:Go take a f. nap.
Do not abuse me on public forum and let's not derail the thread with your agenda. ( I didn't report you this time)
VioletAasA wrote:Go take a f. nap.
realityhere wrote:Are we just doing all this as scientific inquiry for ourselves or for a greater purpose? I think it's for a greater purpose, asking that age-old question, where do we come from?
TheLord wrote:VioletAasA wrote:Go take a f. nap.
Do not abuse me on public forum and let's not derail the thread with your agenda. ( I didn't report you this time)
TheLord wrote:If your agenda is done now can we get back to the OP?
I am still waiting for OPs response to different posts, hopefully will soon get reply from him.
Truth too late wrote:Akuma wrote:Most people that I've met on my religious journeys didn't really [want to] test the reality of their beliefs.
You make a lot of good points. I've seen excesses too (including my own). But, must everything be non-falsifiable in order to be believed or helpful?
For example, I personally witnessed a dog experiencing a sixth sense, knowing something without seeing it (the passing of his pack mate). I can't prove how that happened. It was something beyond physical processes subject to reality testing. It's not something I heard, embellished by someone else. I saw it with my own eyes.
It could be that such things are simply a physical reality we haven't discovered yet.
When I consider how 90% of human knowledge was acquired in the past 100 years, I'm more inclined to humbly contemplate what I don't know rather than engage in "regularity chauvinism" about what I do know. That is driven home when I consider how scientists are close to developing quantum computing which will solve problems in 10 minutes that would take a million years using today's computers. Who knows what they'll discover when they turn that on. Especially when they believe the power of quantum computing comes from using parallel universes to perform calculations(!)
To me, it moderates my narcissistic mindset to consider how I don't know everything.
I agree that the intolerant, dogmatic, exclusive religiosity may contribute to narcissism. ("I'm connected to the Big Guy. I'm special. I must kill those who spread false doctrines in order to save the souls of other special people."). But, I don't get that the OP is doing that. He could be using his spirituality as a substitution for real, vulnerable, one-on-one relationships. I guess I could do the same thing when I contemplate the Large-Scale Structure of the universe.
But, either of those activities are subordinating as well because they acknowledge my (and his) insignificance in the scheme of things. It can even be relaxing to realize I can't know everything. That I'm not in control of everything. That there may be a destiny or some attribute of me that exists beyond the physical me I can see. He may get the same thing from demoting himself to helping more people than he can help, who have more problems than he does. That in itself is vulnerability. Maybe the best he can do right now?
It can put things in context, such as when I feel I'm not getting mirrored the way I need to be. Ponder where we exist in the known universe and it's almost funny that I need to see myself a certain way. That I'll give people the silent treatment because they didn't help me with my inner lie.
I suspect there is some narcissistic supply I get from thinking about those things. Satisfaction from stimulating my intellect. But, I think it's also humbling. I can't make a mirror large enough to see myself in that stuff. I give up!
I get the impression the OP could be doing something similar. Living for something larger, demoting himself, re-prioritizing values (spending 10 hours a week on the street helping others rather than commuting in his car, frustrated, alone, pursuing material possessions and never fitting in, never being good enough.).
Reducing spirituality down to only narcissistic maladjustment could itself be an expression of regularity chauvinism?
(Again, this is a thought provoking discussion. Don't take me as being defensive or argumentative. Nor am I going to sell all my stuff and join the OP in Seattle.).
TheLord wrote:True narcissism is very close to fake spirituality.
TheLord wrote:You hv said some of the most interesting things. But I think your thing about dog sensing, having sixth sense will be outright rejected by Ns.
Truth too late wrote:Akuma wrote:Most people that I've met on my religious journeys didn't really [want to] test the reality of their beliefs.
You make a lot of good points. I've seen excesses too (including my own). But, must everything be non-falsifiable in order to be believed or helpful?
For example, I personally witnessed a dog experiencing a sixth sense, knowing something without seeing it (the passing of his pack mate). I can't prove how that happened. It was something beyond physical processes subject to reality testing. It's not something I heard, embellished by someone else. I saw it with my own eyes.
But, either of those activities are subordinating as well because they acknowledge my (and his) insignificance in the scheme of things. It can even be relaxing to realize I can't know everything. That I'm not in control of everything. That there may be a destiny or some attribute of me that exists beyond the physical me I can see. He may get the same thing from demoting himself to helping more people than he can help, who have more problems than he does. That in itself is vulnerability. Maybe the best he can do right now?
I get the impression the OP could be doing something similar. Living for something larger, demoting himself, re-prioritizing values (spending 10 hours a week on the street helping others rather than commuting in his car, frustrated, alone, pursuing material possessions and never fitting in, never being good enough.).
Akuma wrote:And again - spirituality isn't needed to help others.
Akuma wrote:if there is a solution it either comes from the work of experienced craftsmen or from the work of science. This was actually what I told the Buddhist community when I left, that there simply isn't a problem at all with which I would go to a religious figure or to a spiritual belief and actually get help.
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