by Bordopath » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:16 am
To all these people in this thread, never give up. Whilst I'm not a covert narc (I suffer from bpd) I used to date two covert narc women and they were amongst the sweetest people I've ever dated, very fragile and insecure yet also very loving at times.
I'm drawn more to covert and vulnerable times because I feel like I can establish a better connection with them, grandiose types put me off tbh, they remind me of my grandad too much.
You guys actually have a better chance of recovery, studies show this, in a way some of you are "failed" narcissist because the grandiose self isn't fully entrenched, but this is a GOOD thing.
The only problem is the abuse and blame shifting, my ex would go from motherly love and almost patronizing me to straight up blaming me whenever something went wrong, then she would at times blame herself but in a very obscure way. Like she would say things like "I shouldn't have trusted you, that was my biggest mistake", she failed to see that it was her lack of trust that caused our fight, not the trust per se... so I guess the insight into one's own pathology varies from person to person no matter which disorder it is.
When I was in crisis mode she was always there for me though, she would immediately call an ambulance, stay by my bed and be almost the "perfect woman" but she would primarily do it when I was in a crisis mode, a mode that she partially induced by threatening me with abandonment, narcissists know how to push your buttons, I gotta give you guys credit for that.
I am a highly emotional person and easy to read, my gf liked that at first and later on she hated m for being so "whimsical" and overly emotional (classic love-hate cycle).
She was also consumed by envy, but was at least partially unaware of this, whenever I pointed this out it resulted in an argument, she also didn't take criticism very well and would come up with punishments to make me obey. I am a person that craves intimacy and needs this like air to breathe, so she would stop sleeping with me because I had been a "bad boy", at times I felt as though she was behaving like my mother rather than my significant other but underneath all that abuse and blame shifting was a deeply disturbed and anxious, a highly neurotic individual that never learnt to love herself and I still think about her every day.
We have decided to stop seeing each other for a while for we both have boundary issues and at times we ended up in bed again although we had broken up and whilst she was fine with it saying "oh this was fun", I immediately developed strong feelings again and wanted to reunite. Us borderlines can be very demanding, I'm aware of this, we are anything but easy.
I actually dislike it that narcs get all the hate and us borderlines get off relatively easily. We are no better than you, we are just disturbed in a different way and we can be just as cruel.
I'm sure you all have lot to give and varying degrees of compassion left, allow yourself to grow, allow yourself to be vulnerable in a healthy way, you are perfect the way you are but it doesn't mean you're superior to others... I like to think we're all equally worthless, I mean equally worthy of love and respect, sorry my dark humour broke out there for a second.
Funnily enough there is some overlap between bpd and vulnerable narcissism, whilst I dont think theyre the same they share some characteristics albeit for different reasons.
Both are thin-skinned, volatile, don't take criticism well, both feel victimized and left out constantly but I guess the narcs entitlement is a a little stronger and his fantasies differ from the borderlines.
I for instance look for stability and a person who accepts me and loves me, I don't care much about admiration in the usual sense nor do I want to be seen as special or unique, I'm also not envious though I can get jealous in a relationship if I'm afraid someone is going to leave me.
I also don't care about success or wealth but I've met narcs who don't care about this either, just gets to show you there's a huge grey area, it's a continuum, every narc is different and so is every borderline and unfortunately there are also quite a few individuals with comorbid npd and bpd which further complicates everything.
Sorry that I went on a tangent here, I have a mild manic episode.
To sum it up, stay strong, work on bettering yourself, you can do it, believe in yourself and give yourself the time you need in order to succeed and and don't let failure lead you astray, just keep pushing for your goals. Recovery is possible for narcs, don't listen to these idiots saying a narcissist is never going to change, ironically speaking this statement itself is quite narcissistic lol.