grandpolly wrote:I agree that there is a difference, and I would absolutely never claim that it is the same as classic MBP.
The Classic MBP is what comes up in the orginal FBI profile - they are all different
In fact, it's difficult to compare, because while the damage being done in isolation is nowhere near the same magnitude as in classic MBP, the effects are quite strong nevertheless.
Actually in the classic case, which still get picked up (because the mothers are stupid) saves the child at an early age. there may be long term health consequences, but they are often saved from much worse damage.
It's rather fascinating, for instance, how I relate to other victims, with the added difference that the full damage really starts when you get to understand the full medical picture that is specific to psychiatry: that sense of enslavement to your records. It's also mindblowing to perceive, due to the psychological component of what I've lived through, how easily you can sink into the mind of a classic muncher.
Unless there is intervention MBP involves emotional and often physical abuse. They often have the same issues as other child abuse survivors, .. self esteem, trust, attachment issues, plus screwed up education .. etc
It is also used for control, definitely. But even the claim that more control is required to handle your kid plays into the psychological needs of the parents. I'm under the impression that psychological needs of the MBP mother are similar to classic MBP, but also more complex and also more moving. In a sense, it's more like "sporadic MBP" (i.e. waiting for opportunities and weaknesses)
a lot of MBP is sporadic, opportunistic, always staying one step ahead of the "this can't be right, is it the child or the mother we should be looking at"
than "obsessional MBP". And in my case, delusions were likely stronger than in classic MBP, (although I haven't settled down my opinion definitely on that).
My father is both in and both out of the MBP picture. In a sense, he's an instrument, but an instrument that needs to be convinced to step in through his own frame of mind. He has to cooperate for it to happen, as otherwise, hospitalisations would be much more difficult to carry through. That means he's lied to, but you need to incorporate truth in the lies.
My father was a brilliant man. Wound up from an impoverished background CFO on a large multinational, but gradually was made to see her version of the world. Even though he knew that if he told anyone else they would think HE was mad.
That's where confidence within the parenting couple, and a shared worldview (to enable the necessary hypocondria) both needs to play in. My father was dogmatically trusting to his partner (a trait I do share; trust issues came later on...) and the shared worldview came from the fact he was thoroughly imbued with psychoanalysis, which is the medium through which my parents came to meet, and the framework through which they came to conceptualise wanting me as a baby.
The behaviour in hospital is also weird. My mother did look out for psychiatrists that would play into her game; the criterion being typically (mod edit ) he'll be careful not to let my kid out soon enough". The last hospitalisation that she triggered had the psychiatrists diagnose me with a "paranoïac personality disorder" (good job, by the way), refuting other claims, and the non-relationship they entertained with my mother sent her in an outfit of rage: I was the mental patient holding the psychiatric staff back from using force on my mother: the world turned upside down...
Mum would up in a straight jacket and padded cell .. no exaggeration.. one of my happiest memories.It keeps me sane.
As the other poster said, the difficult thing is that a situation like this is indeed not clear cut and the concept of abuse is open to opinion: pathological vs. normal in psychiatry is very difficult to differentiate both in theory and on the records. And moreover, MBP is in and of itself a psychiatric issue. So you get very frightened of going ever more deeper in the psychiatric world and ever more frightened of coercion. It's a self-feeding cycle.
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