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Police Misconduct...

Postby UberGonzo » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:41 pm

Police misconduct is becoming a growing issue for the mentally ill.[Doctor/Nurse misconduct is on the rise as well but that's another issue.] It seems police are shooting and mistreating mentally ill people more and more often when it isn't warranted. A quick google search of "police shoot mentally ill" for example brings up hundreds of recent stories in the news not to mention those that do not make the news.

A man killed by police Thursday in Broomfield's Aspen Creek subdivision long struggled with mental illness, his family said.

Kyle Miller, 21, was shot by police Thursday morning after pointing a gun at officers near the intersection of Aspen Street and Durango Avenue. The family said they warned officers that the gun was a plastic Airsoft gun.

The family had called 911 early that morning because Kyle Miller had a knife and was trying to harm himself, she said. Kyle struggled with schizoaffective bipolar disorder, which was a factor in his recently losing his job as an emergency medical technician. Cheryl Miller said the disappointment caused him to hurt himself.


Also fatal:
A mentally disturbed man is dead and a Baltimore City police officer is at Shock Trauma after a children's birthday party in northeast Baltimore went horribly wrong.

Witnesses tell ABC2 the suspect was at a children's party when he became upset and began throwing things. He was asked to leave but returned through the back door and continued to disrupt the gathering. At this point police were called and when they arrived they shot the man after a struggle.


The family of a mentally ill Bainbridge Island man who was shot by police and then left to bleed to death can pursue their lawsuit — and seek damages for pain and suffering, even where state law would normally bar it, a federal judge has ruled.

Doug Ostling was shot and killed in his apartment in 2010 after he made a rambling 911 call. When police arrived, he told them there was no emergency and asked them to leave, but officers said they saw him inside with an ax. They first hit him with a Taser, then shot him twice as he apparently tried to close the door. The bullets that killed him passed through the door.

For the next 80 minutes, the officers cordoned off the apartment, called in SWAT officers and prevented paramedics from entering as Ostling's mother, father and sister urged police to let them check on him. Ostling bled to death of a gunshot wound to his leg.


A heart-wrenching video showing a Vancouver police officer appearing to shoot a mentally ill man as he crawls on his hands and knees has set off a new investigation, five years after Paul Boyd was killed.
"I still, after five years, do not understand this. And I don't understand why there hasn't been some sort of justice brought upon this," said Danny Antonucci, an animator who worked side-by-side with Paul Boyd and considered him a friend, according the Regina Leader-Post.
"That video is absolutely heart-breaking. It's heart-breaking. To see Paul crawling on his hands and knees and to have some ignorant person shoot a gun into his head, I mean, it's just insane."
The new video, captured by Andreas Bergen, a tourist from Winnipeg, who was visiting Vancouver with friends, begins with the seventh bullet being fired into Boyd's body, CTV reports.
The 39-year-old, who had a successful career as an animator, also had bipolar disorder and had not taken his medication that day.
Police had been called to the busy intersection the evening of Aug. 13, 2007, after a 911 call and were confronted by Boyd, who witnesses said was swinging a bike chain.
Boyd appears to drop his weapon and begins making guttural sounds. He then starts crawling on all fours towards a group of constables until a stopped car obscures the view.
Const. Lee Chipperfield, who was the only officer to shoot at him — the fatal bullet striking Boyd in the head — was neither charged nor disciplined after the shooting in August 2007.
Chipperfield, who shot Boyd eight times in a span of 80 seconds, testified at a coroner's inquest that he believed Boyd was still armed.
Three police officers told the inquest they still felt threatened by Boyd after he was shot and crawling towards the cops, 570News reports.

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/325705#ixzz1zIFpL47V [video is at the top of page]


Such stories are severely common and it needs to end. There is a high level of discrimination against the mentally ill and often times the perpetrators of this heinous crimes are unpunished and even given paid leave. That's pretty much a paid vacation until things cool off which is the norm for police departments. Do we all need to advocate Police Officer Training in How to Properly Deal with the Mentally ill? Such programs are necessary in my opinion but will only occur when people speak out. A few PD's had such programs but cut them at the beginning of the last recession around 2010. Most have never had such programs.

Most importantly realize the police view you as a severe threat regardless of what you do and be aware of your legal rights involving police encounters. [Many sites are available and offer free videos and pamphlets on such things which can be viewed online as well.]

I have unfortunately had to deal with police personally due to discrimination where I live. That is to say everything I do seems to be a reason to call the police on me despite breaking no laws.

Types of police calls I've had:
*Putting a couch out the evening before pickup day due to leaving town
*Grilling out
*Making Charcoal
*Trapping
*Walking down the sidewalk at night
*Walking past the High School at night [it's on a main road and the path must be taken to reach the grocery store and gas station both of which are 24/7
*walking down the street
*sitting on my porch
*sitting on my roof

And many other similar mundane things. My neighbors know about my mental illness due to over-talkative relatives who blab private matters.

On the other side of things I've called the police due to four people trying to break in and was ignored. Not a single police car was issued out and the dispatcher was a bitch. I ended up arming myself and confronting the four people and watching them run off. A second call resulted in them claiming they would send someone out and they never did. The four people were down the street for 15 minutes and I sat outside for nearly two hours and not one cop even patrolled the area.

I've also called about people trespassing, breaking down my fence [happened multiple times], people refusing to leave my property [one was even cutting metal on my property and nearly sparked a fire] and police always give me the whole "Well there isn't anything I can do but I can go talk to them" excuse. Once i was even barricaded inside by multiple people with a couch that was on the porch and my property vandalized. Again i got the usual speech.

I've even had incidents where a random thug pulled a knife on me and I defended myself [via Martial Arts] and I got threatened to be arrested while the one with the knife was let go.The whole incident started because he came up and started grabbing on and pushing a female acquaintance of mine and when i pushed him off her, he pulled a knife on me and tried to stab me multiple times. I quickly disarmed him and gave him a frightful beating until he fled.

Yet when I was 12 [5'1 110lbs back then] and didn't listen to my drunken stepfather, they attempted to mace me and take me down for refusing to go inside the house [stepfathers order].[Dodged a faceful of mace] Just for not listening. Even though I had fist shaped bruises which they photographed, nothing was done.

I and others I have spoken to have had the same issues locally and nothing has been done.
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby anagram » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:38 pm

I don't really know what to say, all these things are really shocking. "Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not after you." You're damn right on that...

I fortunately live in a much less violent place (or at least I don't get to witness/be afflicted by this kind of overt aggression). I was shocked to read the other day on this forum that it's still a prevalent misconception that "all schizophrenics are dangerous". You offered personal proof of the effects of this kind of prejudice... I'll keep it in mind from now on.
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby Fengxian » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:28 am

It seems police misconduct is on the rise anyway, towards most members of society (except for the well off and powerful it seems). I'm from the UK and police brutality/misconduct has become more rife in our society.
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby UberGonzo » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:56 am

Fengxian wrote:It seems police misconduct is on the rise anyway, towards most members of society (except for the well off and powerful it seems). I'm from the UK and police brutality/misconduct has become more rife in our society.


The same issue occurs here in the US. Middle and upper classes get the royal treatment whereas the lower classes/working classes are treated with great suspicion at all times. I have a well off neighbor and when she calls the cops they come out and try to do all they can for the stupidest things. Yet when I call for anything I get excuses even though I rarely call and it's always serious.

Lately here though the mistreatment of those who are disabled, mentally ill or otherwise physically or mentally different have been seriously singled out for mistreatment. There are many cases of police dumping people out of wheel chairs and manhandling them for instance. People who dress differently than the norm are seriously and severely harassed. Its not uncommon to be walking home a short distance and be stopped by every cop who goes by and get questioned for a long period of time looking for a reason to run you in.
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby anagram » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:46 pm

I guess decadent social-economic conditions heighten the usual fear and distrust of people towards any deviances from the norm, while also strengthening delusions of attainable or existing perfection. You know what I'm talking about... (Yes, the grumpy guy with emo hair and a Chaplin mustache...)
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby UberGonzo » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:54 am

anagram wrote:I guess decadent social-economic conditions heighten the usual fear and distrust of people towards any deviances from the norm, while also strengthening delusions of attainable or existing perfection. You know what I'm talking about... (Yes, the grumpy guy with emo hair and a Chaplin mustache...)


This seems to be accurate.

You mean oliver hardy?

[joking]

My neighborhood is very mixed socioeconomically. It used to be a middle to upper class neighborhood but as people move away due to heavier urbanization or due to death [much of the remaining upper class is older] the houses are being rented out or sold cheaply which allows lower class individuals to move in. My family has always been poor and I'm the third generation to live here. Apparently my family was disliked for being one of the only poor families in the neighborhood generations back already.

This whole area is obsessed with status and non-cleancut people or appearances don't exist here. The fact that we have 58 churches doesn't help either. It's bible belt territory. Somehow being christian means being well off and prejudiced which is funny since jesus was a poor wandering ascetic who accepted all. Ironic yes?

This same well off neighbor called city council and police numerous times to try to get rid of a family just because they were a poor mexican family that immigrated here recently. She has made sure that she has harassed them into the poor house completely and now theyre going to lose their house as a result of all the calls and harassment she has done and the authorities refuse to lift a finger despite many laws being violated.
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby Grossenschwamm » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:39 am

anagram wrote: I was shocked to read the other day on this forum that it's still a prevalent misconception that "all schizophrenics are dangerous".


I had to hide my mental illness from my ex girlfriend's parents because I used to hallucinate and have delusions. Apparently psychotic means homocidal rage.
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby Exiled. » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:40 am

My experience with the police has largely been positive...or at least not negative. I know there are reports out there of misconduct but I believe the majority of police at least try to do the right thing. Unfortunately the bad apples spoil the bunch.
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby UberGonzo » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:08 pm

Exiled. wrote:My experience with the police has largely been positive...or at least not negative. I know there are reports out there of misconduct but I believe the majority of police at least try to do the right thing. Unfortunately the bad apples spoil the bunch.


It depends on your situation to how police act. If you are of a lower class, strike one, if they know you have a "serious" mental illness such as SPD/StPD/Schizo-anything, strike two and if you live in a very conservative and judgmental area, strike three.

If the area is moderately or small sized it also doesn't bode well. It depends on national and local climate per se.

I'm assuming you're middle class and relatively self-sufficient?
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Re: Police Misconduct...

Postby Exiled. » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:49 pm

UberGonzo wrote:
Exiled. wrote:My experience with the police has largely been positive...or at least not negative. I know there are reports out there of misconduct but I believe the majority of police at least try to do the right thing. Unfortunately the bad apples spoil the bunch.


It depends on your situation to how police act. If you are of a lower class, strike one, if they know you have a "serious" mental illness such as SPD/StPD/Schizo-anything, strike two and if you live in a very conservative and judgmental area, strike three.

If the area is moderately or small sized it also doesn't bode well. It depends on national and local climate per se.

I'm assuming you're middle class and relatively self-sufficient?



I'm disabled due to my MI. I'm staying at my folks' house at the moment and they are doing pretty well for themselves. I used to live by myself but had to leave because my paranoia got out of hand and would probably be homeless without being able to fall back on my parents.

Your list of serious mental illnesses looks like my original diagnosis. It was SPD/Schizophrenia/Narcissism comorbid. It's been adjusted since then to be bipolar.

I don't believe it gets any more conservative than Texas. (Although I've bounced between various states over the years...)

I'm not trying to say you're wrong or anything like that. With your experiences, you have the right to believe what you want. I'm just saying that I've had different experiences. I know that there are examples of misconduct out there... You have only to look up police misconduct on youtube for examples. I remember watching a police chief macing a peaceful protest. That's misconduct. I don't believe the majority of police officers would do that. (Other than because of multiplicity which is an issue...) I may be naive.
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