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Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby cantbelieveit » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:24 pm

I am considering self exclusion from the 4 casinos in my area that are within driving distance (under 45 minutes). I hate the thought of this for many reasons probably the top one is my sick brain telling me "noooooooo, don't do that!". another reason I hate the idea of it is that one of them offers night life dancing, bands,etc and it would be embarrassing to tell my friends I can't got. But that is not really a valid reason as my continueing to dump all my money into these places, including bill money, trumps them all.

My question is: who has self excluded from casinos? how has it worked? just general experiences?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby blue_green_lake » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:44 pm

What I can say is this -- I wish to God that I had self-excluded long before I did.

I lived within a half an hour of a casino, and for a period of about a year and a half, I was engaging in addictive, self-destructive behavior, going there at least twice a week and often more. I finally self-excluded in May of this year.

Self-excluding did not stop me from gambling totally, but it did stop the weekly hemoraging. A few times since self excluding, I have gambled in other states. But the self-exclusion has been valuable because it made me realize that I do not need gambling as much as I thought I did. I found other things to do on weekends.

I now am living in Canada, and I am not near a casino, but when I did live near one, it about killed me. I had never gambled before Pennsylvania built casinos. The one in my area was the place that I developed this adddiction. It sucked my savings, and got me into debt. When I finally self-excluded, it felt so good to say "f_ you" to that place. I felt like I was leaving an abusive relationship. I have never craved to go back to that place since the self-exclusion.

Just do it. You can always drive to casinos farther away if you feel like you can't stop the craving. But the extra distance is a barrier, and that helps to avoid gambling.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby MarkNZ » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:52 pm

Here in NZ its more symbolic than anything else, except at the casino where it would stop you collecting on a really big win, because the staff in bars change constantly and they have no system for monitoring who plays, but its quite powerfully symbolic. I excluded myself from playing at the pub in my neighbourhood about 4 months ago and have not played their since, even though I know they wouldn't notice or remember. given I only quit playing totally a month ago that means for 3 months the only think stoipping me playing there was the self-exclusion order, despite me never testing it.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby Nathan1980 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:04 pm

In the US it doesn't work well. My wife signed the self-exclusion in all local casinos but she is able to play in all of them. One time she was playing, I told security that how come they let her plays when she signed self-exclusion, they immediately kicked her out. But casinos are businesses, and none of them will say no to free money. There is no real penalty for letting people who self-excluded play so why should they enforce it? I was considering suing them but all lawyers I contacted said that I can't win.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby cantbelieveit » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:47 pm

Thank you all for your replies. Bluegreenlake - our stories sound so similiar! I don't think i ever would have developed this addiction except that my state has allowed Indian casinos everywhere, quite literally. I really appreciate your feedback as it sounds like just what I need. I am so tired of endlessly giving them my money, it is absurd. Even back 5 years ago when I went to vegas with girlfriends I didn't even gamble more than maybe an hour! Its these freakin casinos everywhere here and just during the last 3 years that have gotten me to develop this addiction - too assessbile - too convenient - too predatory really. I know there are other reasons that probably led me to this hell that I am currently living in but I am really thinking that by not allowing myself to go it will save my sanity. I have gotten the info I need to self exclude now I just need to take the step to go in and do the paperwork.

To the other responders, thank you too! I have researched quite a bit about this on the internet and also have found tons of proof of casinos turnign the blind eye and letting people on the self exclusion list still gamble. I think I found one valid lawsuit where the casinon continued to send marketing materials to someone that had self excluded and they were able to win a suit against them because of that.

I think like you said, the casinos won't turn away this money. The other thing about it though is that if the poor sap is lucky enough to win a jackpot the casino won't pay as they were on the exclusion list. so again, the casino just keeps on winning either way.

-- Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:53 pm --

hell it probably works better for casinos for people to self exclude now that I think of it. If those people are still sick enough to come back and gamble, the casino will still get money from them AND not have to pay out any jackpots! what a win-win. sickening.

I know that I would not be one of those people trying to get back in if I self excluded. It's a matter of pride really and to self exclude would be that final middle finger to them that I need.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby blue_green_lake » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:40 pm

cantbelieveit wrote:I really appreciate your feedback as it sounds like just what I need. I am so tired of endlessly giving them my money, it is absurd.


You are very welcome! If you follow through and exclude, it will have a deterrent effect on you. It will leave an impression in your mind that you could possibly (perhaps unlikely) but possibly be arrested if you enter again. As for as enforcing the rule, in my local one, they definintely know me, all the dealers and most of the staff there, so I think they would kick me out or charge me with tresspassing since I am a known entity, & on the self-exclusion list. I am in fact banned from ALL PA casinos, and all Harrahs and Ceasars. But I doubt that if I were to play blackjack in some other casino where I am banned, they would know who I am, so I could get away with it. But I've never tested it.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby MarkNZ » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:54 pm

Nathan1980 wrote:In the US it doesn't work well. My wife signed the self-exclusion in all local casinos but she is able to play in all of them. One time she was playing, I told security that how come they let her plays when she signed self-exclusion, they immediately kicked her out. But casinos are businesses, and none of them will say no to free money. There is no real penalty for letting people who self-excluded play so why should they enforce it? I was considering suing them but all lawyers I contacted said that I can't win.



In NZ exclusion orders are legal documents. If you break them, you are breaking the law - and that applies to the venue and the gambler.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby StuckinNV » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:03 am

Nathan - I think in NV, it works same as in NZ where Mark is. However, due to the number of casinos, you have to go through court system (I think). The way it works (or so I was told by some people from GA) is that if you self-exclude, you are able to still walk in and play and that makes sense because the casinos will gladly take your money, but if you hit a jackpot, they won't pay you. There was also note that if you use a players card, they can track you and ask you to leave. But it's hard to keep track of people in a state with that many casinos.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby youneverknow » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:38 pm

Hey cantbelieveit,

I've self-excluded from websites and it definitely helped. I've never self-excluded from a Casino, but that's probably because the nearest one is about 45 minutes away and online was my favorite alley to get my fix.

As far as 'working', I guess that depends on what you expect from it. It isn't your conscience, so it doesn't keep you from gambling if you're determined. (It's like our brains are GPS and self-exclusion is construction. We simply start 're-calculating' our route to the next alley)

But as a TOOL, I think it's brilliant. ANYTHING that makes it harder and takes longer for us to gamble is great because it offers more of an opportunity to say 'no'. But that said, it is a tool, not a magic pill. WE still have to do the work to stay quit. I can't think of any reason to say it doesn't 'work' in terms of helping, but of course, if we're determined to gamble, we'll find a way.

Basically, I'm for it, but I don't think it ends the addiction - that's OUR job - it just helps us in the battle.

-- Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:41 am --

Hey cantbelieveit,

I've self-excluded from websites and it definitely helped. I've never self-excluded from a Casino, but that's probably because the nearest one is about 45 minutes away and online was my favorite alley to get my fix.

As far as 'working', I guess that depends on what you expect from it. It isn't your conscience, so it doesn't keep you from gambling if you're determined. (It's like our brains are GPS and self-exclusion is construction. We simply start 're-calculating' our route to the next alley)

But as a TOOL, I think it's brilliant. ANYTHING that makes it harder and takes longer for us to gamble is great because it offers more of an opportunity to say 'no'. But that said, it is a tool, not a magic pill. WE still have to do the work to stay quit. I can't think of any reason to say it doesn't 'work' in terms of helping, but of course, if we're determined to gamble, we'll find a way.

Basically, I'm for it, but I don't think it ends the addiction - that's OUR job - it just helps us in the battle.
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Re: Self Exclusion - Who's done it and has it worked

Postby Bugbyte » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:31 pm

Hi there .
After disgracing myself at the casino and ending up a blubbering pitiful wreck , due to drinking and gambling frivolously ( ridiculously) and certainly past the point of enjoyment....i excluded myself for a year.

It's been over 3 months now and the thought of going in there makes me cringe ...i haven't had a drink since that night either.

But I ruined it tonight by losing $350 on stupid slot ( poker machines )

...feeling very sick
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