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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby anothernight » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:32 pm

I'm so scared that I'm a narsicist but I don't care about anybody anymore.

What's the difference between a really low functioning/depressed borderline and a covert narcissist??
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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby green m+m » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:36 pm

This is the whole problem with this thread and why I think it shouldn't even be here. Now every bpd is going to think they are a narc!
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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby Kiskiskis » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:41 pm

anothernight wrote:What's the difference between a really low functioning/depressed borderline and a covert narcissist??

This was my question. I was intrested has everybody else noticed that similarity between these three.
Some of the original info was only in my native language.

It doesn't matter really, this thred turned a bit into diagnosing myself.
Sorry for that. My original thread for that, in here, didn't get any answers.
Headline was boring, I know.

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who38 wrote:This is the whole problem with this thread and why I think it shouldn't even be here. Now every bpd is going to think they are a narc!

What's up with people today. Where should this go then. It's not meant to scare people, and I think everybody are smart enough to figure that out.
Covert narc isn't same as NPD.

Whatta hell, let it be :)
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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby green m+m » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:00 pm

It shouldn't go anywhere. You shouldn't have posted it IMO. You have been on the npd board forever...if you are so bpd maybe you should have came here once instead of living on the narc board. We all know who came up with the brilliant bpd/ covert narc theory over there and now you're bringing it here to people already shaky with their identity. BTW...I don't go anywhere near that NPD board now.

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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby Kiskiskis » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:09 pm

who38 wrote:It shouldn't go anywhere. You shouldn't have posted it IMO. You have been on the npd board forever...if you are so bpd maybe you should have came here once instead of living on the narc board. We all know who came up with the brilliant bpd/ covert narc theory over there and now you're bringing it here to people already shaky with their identity. BTW...I don't go anywhere near that NPD board now.

What :D
Are there some sides in here. I was only posting on NPD forum to go through that relationship. To get certainty. When that is done, it's my turn. All of that at once would of been too much.

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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby anothernight » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:37 pm

OK. I just spoke with the king of psychiatry and I whined to him about being a narcissist...and I'm just really borderline lmao. The main thing that pointed me in that direction was my constant manipulation of people and perfectionism. Also, I can't feel much empathy anymore.

I am capable of some empathy when I'm not depressed but that has happened maybe once or twice in my life. He said to wait and see what happens when the depression is fixed. Every interaction that I have with people now is a subtle manipulation to get them to either take me seriously or validate me. He said we'd continue our discussion about this tomorrow but I'm apparently not a narcissist.

You're probably not a narcissist if you've been diagnosed with BPD. Think about the reasons behind your behaviours. Lack of empathy is the defining feature of narcissism and you can't judge yourself in a depression or time of personal for lack of empathy.

Pointless but here you go.
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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby Whipped Cream » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:23 am

Does anyone have a good definition of a covert narc? My google search didn't really turn up anything good, so I'm wondering if this is one of those unofficial subcategories we should maybe take with a grain of salt. I've heard of inverted narc. Is that the same thing?
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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby katana » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:45 am

I wonder if a "covert narcissist" is what happens when a person with certain issues realises others are not extensions of them and cannot be controlled but emotionally feels incredibly uncomfortable with this truth and is very insecure about it. Which is essentially a step further towards seeing things straight than a classic narcissist. Once you realise your PDed perspective doesn't correlate, something has to change unless you want to spend the rest of your life grappling for ignorance. That's ironic because in the case of PD, its running from short term pain to avoid long term happiness.
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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby wineaux » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:47 am

covert narc:

What Is A Covert Narcissist?

Absolutely undoubtedly the most damaging and severe form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is covert narcissism. Covert narcissists can seem highly defensive and extremely hostile whilst masking beneath their facade a highly insecure sense of emotional vulnerability; a vulnerability they will do absolutely anything within their power to prevent being exposed.

Although a covert narcissist generally possesses the same traits as an overt narcissist (the need for attention, approval, adulation and grandiose fantasies), these are not commonly expressed in their overt behavior which makes covert/closet or stealth narcissists all the more difficult to be able to recognize.

How Is Covert Narcissism Different?

In addition to the standard symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, the covert narcissist is also susceptible to stress and worry. They have a tendency to function inefficiently (ie they are dysfunctional) whilst their inner expectations remain unfulfilled.

Closet/stealth narcissists repress awareness of their narcissistic traits due to their inner conflict, deep down inside they find their fantasies embarrassing and unacceptable. Deep down inside they realize that their fantasies are ultimately self-centered and are to solicit goodness and power to one's self; to put one's self up on a pedestal, above all others.

What Are The Symptoms Of Covert Narcissism?

Covert narcissists are usually too afraid to exhibit any of their accomplishments to others and they commonly underestimate their own capabilities. Their overt behavior projects an innocent, angel-like, good as gold persona which builds them a credible and faultless reputation yet they fail to reach their true potential due to their own self-doubt. Some covert narcissists end up losing all interest in their hobbies and desires and end up deciding to do nothing with their lives - they seem to have no real interests - yet they are extremely self-entitled and expect other people to do everything for them.


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Re: The difference: BPD, codependency, covert narc ?

Postby katana » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:18 am

No name calling. :)

I think there might be an interesting parallel between covert narcissism and passive aggressive PD. Different issues are involved, but I think there are similarities in how those issues end up affecting the person, or the mechanism through which those issues are expressed.
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