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Unrepentant Misanthropy

Postby RJMisanthrope » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:56 pm

I hate the human species in general, and don't like/have interest in most other people. I basically despise them on principle, and when they open their mouths I despise them on experience.

I don't hate everyone. I have a small number of friends I enjoy spending some time with, largely because they're not easily offended or deeply contrary to my own personality and habits. They tend to dislike people, too, just not so virulently as I do.

I know some of this is probably just externalizing my (undiagnosed) Aspergers' difficulty with the world, 'getting back at them' so to speak, but more than that I think it is philosophically justified. Most people are bad people, and not a few of them are repulsive scum. I think the majority of the human race are scum (I also think most other misanthropists have stupid/wrong reasons for hating people, like the logically ineradicable selfishness). I don't WANT to like people. I don't WANT to socialise, I don't WANT to date. Though it is not impossible that there a few dozen people I might like still out there it is not worth the effort of dealing with them.

So my question does not relate to 'how do I learn to interact with the herp-a-derps and have normal relationships' as I find both of those repulsive and boring. What I want to work on is detachment: instead of getting angered by their existence I should just be apathetic about them. What Georges Palante called 'misanthropic pessimism'', the detached air of a dilletante, that is what I want to cultivate. I want to break their influence over my emotions, because they are not worth caring about.

I have little respect for most codes of value and volkisch norms and I think morality is a ridiculous bit of religious nonsense; I generally hate "psychiatrists" (idle talkers) slightly more than I do other people because of their nonsensical notions that antisocial behavior is undesirable. So if your advice is to 'work at it, it gets better', etc. I don't want to work at it. I don't want to stop hating people. Again, to emphasize it, I just want to stop being triggered by people.
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Re: Unrepentant Misanthropy

Postby Grossenschwamm » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:00 am

That's something I've found that will cultivate passively rather than actively. It takes some time, but eventually you'll discover your own epiphany and humanity won't bother you so much. Hit that point a little bit ago, myself.

But, that was through a great deal of introspection on this. What might be a more active pursuit would be to relocate to somewhere secluded and life off the land, either by foraging and hunting or through agricultural pursuits. Otherwise, you'll still be depending on people to produce and carry the food you need to live, not to mention the countless other resources people tend to consume without thinking about it.
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Re: Unrepentant Misanthropy

Postby ireneadler999 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:37 am

living off the land is a pleasant pursuit. i think it's difficult to do without community, so if you do try that, misanthrope, choose carefully. i have lived in a quiet, rural land setting with others, but since one of my biggest challenges is to live with others and be happy (i don't do this well), it was a disillusioning experience in many ways. some of it may have been due to injured aspie idealism---i expect people to really believe what they say and what they talk about, and when it's clear they don't, i retreat. then subsequent trust seems very difficult, all social situations seem even more difficult.

it was an idealistic group, i imagined sort of a walden pond setting---a community run on consensus and so on. but everything has a shadow. i really do think a true walden pond type of life would be ideal, though.
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Re: Unrepentant Misanthropy

Postby TDT » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:35 pm

I think becoming a hermit and/or living off the land is more running away from the problem than trying to solve the problem.

And, I do say "problem", because it is a problem in my view. Not so much because you don't want to socialize (I'm in the same boat on that), but the deep hatred for others is a problem.

RJMisanthrope wrote:So my question does not relate to 'how do I learn to interact with the herp-a-derps and have normal relationships' as I find both of those repulsive and boring. What I want to work on is detachment: instead of getting angered by their existence I should just be apathetic about them. What Georges Palante called 'misanthropic pessimism'', the detached air of a dilletante, that is what I want to cultivate. I want to break their influence over my emotions, because they are not worth caring about.


Quite honestly, this will come down to two things:
1) You don't worrying about others. You have your own life, and your own battles..why focus and judge others? You can't, nor should you, be able to change others. Why? Because if the "shoe was on the other foot", would you like someone else's views on morality and "how to be" being pushed on you? Sadly too many people already do this, and that's what I hate personally about society.
2) You need to be willing to stop hating people. You have some internal battle going on here that's pointed in the wrong direction - and that's outward. Your reasons for hating people make sense for not wanting to associate with some people, but doesn't make sense for the hate part. You need to turn that energy inwardly and solve your problem instead of trying to make it about others.

I know this sounds a bit harsh, and in some ways it's meant to be. These people have influence over your emotions because you let them. You're right, they aren't likely worth being cared about by you..at least not now. Once you stop letting others have control of you, then you can maybe start caring for others (e.g. empathy)...but right now you're not there yet.

Speaking from personal experience..I'm in a similar area you are to a degree. I let one person have way too much control over my emotions. This person's problems became my problems and it really drove me to the edge of depression (where I'm still at to a degree). Recently, within the last few days, I've had to ask myself similar questions as I prompted above...why do I let people have control over my emotions? I shouldn't let them have control over my emotions..as my emotions are my own, not theirs, and not something I should let them influence. This thought process, I believe, gives me power more to be responsible for my own wants (Something, quite honestly, I've been bad at seeing in the past..similar to really identifying with my emotions).

As far as anti-social. I think there are all types of people. I don't have many friends, and don't really engage in dating/relationships. I'm okay with that..although I'm realizing a bit that some support structure is helpful for talking about y problems. With that, I don't believe I would ever want to become a hermit (I wanted to in the past) because of this..plus it's running away, and I hate running away from my problems.
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