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Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby breakingout » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:41 am

His autobiography http://parascope.com/en/0996/tesla10.htm which seems to have been written before 1920, describes his thought processes, and has many predictions of devices and technologies that are only just becoming practical. He was way ahead of his time!

Basically predicted the modern use of the internet, wireless distribution of news, stocks, music, messages etc.
Autonomous and remotely operated drone aircraft as currently used in Afghanistan

He describes most human behaviour as largely deterministic, with only the illusion of free will, and how he was able to imagine his inventions in complete detail through visualisation and meditation.
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby TNSe » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:58 pm

Yes, he's one of most impressive people I have read about.

Ironically, his downfall was that his biggest pet project got shut down, because it was impossible to measure any way to profit from it. It broke him down.
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby TNSe » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:36 pm

Nicola Tesla wrote:These luminous phenomena still manifest themselves from time to time, as when a
new idea opening up possibilities strikes me, but they are no longer exciting,
being of relatively small intensity. When I close my eyes I invariably observe
first, a background of very dark and uniform blue, not unlike the sky on a clear
but starless night. In a few seconds this field becomes animated with
innumerable scintillating flakes of green, arranged in several layers and
advancing towards me. Then there appears, to the right, a beautiful pattern of
two systems of parallel and closely spaced lines, at right angles to one
another, in all sorts of colours with yellow, green, and gold predominating.
Immediately thereafter, the lines grow brighter and the whole is thickly
sprinkled with dots of twinkling light. This picture moves slowly across the
field of vision and in about ten seconds vanishes on the left, leaving behind a
ground of rather unpleasant and inert grey until the second phase is reached.
Every time, before falling asleep, images of persons or objects flit before my
view. When I see them I know I am about to lose consciousness. If they are
absent and refuse to come, it means a sleepless night. To what an extent
imagination played in my early life, I may illustrate by another odd experience.


Oddly familiar. Its not 100% how I would describe it, but close enough.
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby breakingout » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:39 pm

He does seem to have been remarkably prescient about the situation in Iraq etc.
As I view the world of today, in the light of the gigantic struggle we have
witnessed, I am filled with conviction that the interests of humanity would be
best served if the United States remained true to its traditions, true to God
whom it pretends to believe, and kept out of "entangling alliances." Situated as
it is, geographically remote from the theatres of impending conflicts, without
incentive to territorial aggrandisement, with inexhaustible resources and
immense population thoroughly imbued with the spirit of liberty and right, this
country is placed in a unique and privileged position. It is thus able to exert,
independently, its colossal strength and moral force to the benefit of all, more
judiciously and effectively, than as a member of a league.

Guess the resources turned out not to be so inexhaustible as he believed.

And this bit hints of his identification with AS
I have dwelt on the circumstances of my early life and told of an affliction
which compelled me to unremitting exercise of imagination and self-observation.
This mental activity, at first involuntary under the pressure of illness and
suffering, gradually became second nature and led me finally to recognise that I
was but an automaton devoid of free will in thought and action and merely
responsible to the forces of the environment. Our bodies are of such complexity
of structure, the motions we perform are so numerous and involved and the
external impressions on our sense organs to such a degree delicate and elusive,
that it is hard for the average person to grasp this fact. Yet nothing is more
convincing to the trained investigator than the mechanistic theory of life which
had been, in a measure, understood and propounded by Descartes three hundred
years ago. In his time many important functions of our organisms were unknown
and especially with respect to the nature of light and the construction and
operation of the eye, philosophers were in the dark.


And has this to say about NTs
The by far greater number of human beings are never aware of what is
passing around and within them and millions fall victims of disease and die
prematurely just on this account. The commonest, every-day occurrences appear to
them mysterious and inexplicable. One may feel a sudden wave of sadness and rack
his brain for an explanation, when he might have noticed that it was caused by a
cloud cutting off the rays of the sun. He may see the image of a friend dear to
him under conditions which he construes as very peculiar, when only shortly
before he has passed him in the street or seen his photograph somewhere. When he
loses a collar button, he fusses and swears for an hour, being unable to
visualise his previous actions and locate the object directly. Deficient
observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid
notions and foolish ideas prevailing. There is not more than one out of every
ten persons who does not believe in telepathy and other psychic manifestations,
spiritualism and communion with the dead, and who would refuse to listen to
willing or unwilling deceivers?


And this bit seems to hint at the uncomfortable feeling, perhaps uncanny valley, that NTs seem/claim to experiance around Aspies and psychopaths.
Our bodies are of similar construction and exposed to the same external forces. This results in
likeness of response and concordance of the general activities on which all our
social and other rules and laws are based. We are automata entirely controlled
by the forces of the medium, being tossed about like corks on the surface of the
water, but mistaking the resultant of the impulses from the outside for the free
will. The movements and other actions we perform are always life preservative
and though seemingly quite independent from one another, we are connected by
invisible links. So long as the organism is in perfect order, it responds
accurately to the agents that prompt it, but the moment that there is some
derangement in any individual, his self-preservative power is impaired.

Everybody understands, of course, that if one becomes deaf, has his eyes
weakened, or his limbs injured, the chances for his continued existence are
lessened. But this is also true, and perhaps more so, of certain defects in the
brain which drive the automaton, more or less, of that vital quality and cause
it to rush into destruction. A very sensitive and observant being, with his
highly developed mechanism all intact, and acting with precision in obedience to
the changing conditions of the environment, is endowed with a transcending
mechanical sense, enabling him to evade perils too subtle to be directly
perceived. When he comes in contact with others whose controlling organs are
radically faulty, that sense asserts itself and he feels the "cosmic" pain.


It all suggests that he was extremely highly functioning and able to take much more intentional control over the functioning of his mind than most people. He seems to have been imaginative, and empathetic as well as brilliant at mathematical, spatial and mechanical reasoning.

He also describes several occasions where he became depressed, ill and had 'shutdowns', on one occasion developing even more hyper sensitive hearing than usual.

I wish I could work out how to feel that in control of my own brain. I feel like I've spent most of my life being too stimulated by external media and information and not spent nearly enough time looking inward. There were lots of occasions when I was under 10 that I would find a quiet corner somewhere, close my eyes and visualise some futuristic scene or mechanical system. But somewhere on the way through secondary school with all the bullying, depression, academic demands and too much TV and time spent online I lost most of that and now seem to operated at a purely verbal level 99% of the time.

Is it possible to get the original lower-level capabilities back? They would probably have been much more useful to life in general than my getting all those GCSEs, and A levels which no one really cares about. If only someone could have told me back then about AS, I don't think I would have been nearly as unhappy.
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby TNSe » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:15 am

I expected that was why you got interested in Tesla. Yes, the way he writes about himself makes me rather suspicious of HFA. The way he writes about his mother and father also makes me believe they are also HFA, but that could just be because of the way he writes and things he chose to write about. That means that 2 of the greatest scientific minds of the period are suspected of HFA (also Einstein).

But do remember every 2 people with AS is as different as any 2 NT's. A NT with the issues Tesla explained here might have gone crazy or tried to hide himself from society, being afraid of being accused of witchcraft or similar.
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby ultracasual » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:47 am

Tesla was amazing. He is my favorite public genius by far.

The problem is, Tesla was a dangerous man.
The reason he was dangerous is because he went public!

I'll tell you this much, there are people like Tesla in modern society but they are... controlled so-to-speak.
A super genius in modern society knows the harms that science can bring to the table for the general public.

Had Tesla been less infatuated with himself and displaying power (ironic?), he may have had a shot at a healthier career.


The reason he isn't heard too much about is because with logic one can only assume that out of the billions and billions of people that have lived from his time to ours, someone else is like him with similar capabilities.

Why astonish 5 people and scare 5,000?

Einstein wasn't able to scare people because he was a little more enlightened on society and knew what to do. Yet he theorized the atomic bomb and even gave the o-k to use it!
I don't know about you, but aren't atomic weapons frightening to anyone? Does it not scare you that something like that exists and other people have them, armed and ready to use?

Einstein practically hid behind the government, away from the public.
Tesla simply brought massive telsa coils to presentations displaying how he can create lightning!

Imagine being around at that time and some guy creates a lightning bolt that you believed could only be forged in the heavens?
Zero public support.

But society at that time was all for some dude chilling inside of his home creating a light bulb using hair. Because that was something they knew.
99% public support.

Tesla already invented florescent lights at that time!
He knew how to transfer power anywhere on the globe using the earth's vibrations. He knew exactly how to provide free electricity to the whole world -- without wires.
Why not today?
Money.


He theorized he could control the weather using radio waves and the ionosphere. Modern day HAARP project anyone?? (google it)

Tesla was basically a mastermind without knowledge of how society truly functions.

If I had a wish, it would be to meet Nikola Tesla.
"Even the earth itself has dark times, and she always has something helping her to expose the light."
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby TNSe » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:58 am

Yes, the cityscape would be horridly different today if Tesla had been able to get his ideas through. Every city would be built around a massive Tesla Tower which would feed the city the power it needed. Wireless. This project was shut down because there was no way to measure who used the power, so it was impossible to profit from it.

We are just now starting to rediscover what Tesla had in mind. Obviously most of the projects with wireless power is bogged down with public health worries.
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby TNSe » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:15 pm

Also check out Paul Dirac if you want eccentric geniuses.
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Re: Wow, Tesla was awesome!

Postby petrossa » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:10 pm

Any form of energy transfer has as major drawback that humans are not good at it. It makes no difference if you touch a 400kV line (or even come near it) or if you are between the powertransmitter and the receiver.

There are several working experiments with wireless power transfer, from microwaves to laser. They have flying machines powered by wireless power. Also laserdriven rocket models.

Works fine, just this one drawback, get near it and you get fried. And that's unfortunately an unmovable barrier.

Take for example a laser. You can protect yourself from a laser with a mirror but only to the point were the laser gets so powerful that the energy that does gets through fries you anyway. No 100% reflecting mirror exists.

But tesla had the principle right, you can indeed broadcast power. You just wouldn't want to.
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