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Does this sound like AS?

Postby swashywashy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:29 am

I'm pretty confused at the moment. My psychologist suggested I might have aspergers so I've been looking into it a lot. I can identify with so much of it and part of me needs the huge relief of this diagnosis, because if I don't have AS, I don't know what the heck could be wrong with me. Based on what I've researched, here are some reasons for/against the diagnosis, and I'm hoping for some input from people more knowledgable. (25yo Female btw).

Reasons I think I have AS:
* Very socially awkward, often find myself guessing and approaching social situations as a field of study, as if I'm visiting from another planet trying to pull off a 'human costume'.
* Never feeling like I belong, or am 'one of' the group.
* Extremely sensitive, emotionall and physically. Sensitive to high pitched sounds, changes in temperature, air pressure, touch, medication, mood is greatly impacted by my environment, especially by the aesthetics of the environment.
* Creative and intellectual. Strong emotions and rationalization are always at war, feel overwhelmed a lot. I often I feel so much at once, I can't stand it and break down crying.
* Prefer written communication.
* Obsessive tendencies.
* Seen as bright at school but constantly disappointed and angered teachers who assumed I wasn't 'applying myself' enough. I excelled in some subjects and totally failed the others. Several partial degrees. Absolutely terrible at phys ed, catching and throwing, aim, etc. Would often deliberately seperate myself from friends at break times to wander off alone.
* Injustice, superficiality, being misunderstood and cruelty to animals can quickly fling me into a rage. I'm incurably idealistic and usually convinced I'm right.
* Most of my interests involve some fantastical element.
* There have been times in my life when I've had no friends, and at the most I can handle about two good friends at any time. Find socialisng alienating and exhausting, don't desire it or want to meet new people, am content to be alone most of the time.
* I've been told I was very quiet as a child and avoided eye contact with visitors, replacing it with a strange fascination for staring at my own hand motions.
* My tiny dog is my life.
* People ALWAYS misread me.
* I have IBS. Prone to anxiety and depression.
* I've never had a boyfriend and am happy with that.
* Can't remember the rest right now, plus I don't want to go on forever here.

Reasons I'm not so sure I have AS:
* When AS people are referred to as 'robotic', I don't identify with that at all. I don't know if I seem that way to others, but I feel extremely emotional and sentient.
* Rather than not recognizing metaphor, subtext and taking people literally, I am always convinced I know what someone is 'really' saying, I always hunt for the hidden meaning, and usually assume it is something negative. It's hard to convince me I'm wrong, but maybe I'm just very damaged.
* The technical processes of things like computers, phones, manuals etc, are not easy to me, my brain just turns off and loses interest when confronted with technical information.
* Supermarkets do not terrify me, unless they have horrid dim artificial lighting and dreary aesthetics, even then, they just depress me.
* My brain doesn't store numerous facts when I'm obsessing, I store visuals, and my obsessions are usually visually oriented.
* I don't act oddly in public (as far as I'm aware). I don't rock, or tap, or flap. I get very childlike when I'm excited and jump up and down and sing, but I always assumed that was normal.
* I usually get jokes, I watch a lot of comedy and I laugh at the funny bits, don't much understand this one.
* I can tell when I have gone on too long and the other person is losing interest and getting bored, but then that could be another negative assumption. (I make a lot of these).
*Can't remember the rest of these right now either, but there a few things that keep popping up that I don't even understand, let alone identify with.

So what do you think? Aspergers or not?
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Re: Does this sound like AS?

Postby shock_the_monkey » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:16 am

the first list is longer than the second. but that aside, my advice is always to be guided by the available tests. if you consistently score highly on these then that's as good an indication that you're going to get that you do have AS.
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don't like it but i guess i'm learning

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Re: Does this sound like AS?

Postby TDT » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:26 am

Well, you probably came across this but remember that AS is on a sliding scale, shared with Autism and PDD-NOS. In other words, think of all these as weights, if you have enough of the symptoms, you are then on the scale (so the scale is giving a reading), add on more weight (more symptoms, worse symptoms) and you increase the weight. You start out around PDD-NOS (Basically aspergers), and move into the Aspergers realm, and eventually to Autism.

To summarize, you don't need to have every symptom to be on the scale.

Do you have Aspergers? Dunno. If you're concerned about it, you should go in and get evaluated. You could very well have PDD-NOS. This...in my opinion, is basically Aspergers where the difficulties aren't super extreme, or as thorough of a diagnosis. Technically my diagnosis is PDD-NOS. I surprised some people saying I had Aspergers because they wouldn't have guessed.

I'll go through your reasons why you may not have it one by one:
* When AS people are referred to as 'robotic', I don't identify with that at all. I don't know if I seem that way to others, but I feel extremely emotional and sentient.


Do you give a lot of hand gestures, facial gestures, look directly at people, etc? Robotic doesn't necessarily mean walking like a robot. What this more means is do you give less of these non verbals. You say you're emotional, if you would ask other people that question would they believe you're emotional?

Speaking for myself a bit. I give fairly low eye contact in many cases (but this depends on mental state, some days are better than others). I am not seen as emotional by others, yet I believe I have quite a few emotions going on. I very rarely express them though.

* Rather than not recognizing metaphor, subtext and taking people literally, I am always convinced I know what someone is 'really' saying, I always hunt for the hidden meaning, and usually assume it is something negative. It's hard to convince me I'm wrong, but maybe I'm just very damaged.

In regard to metaphors, those are things you learn over time. This usually applies to younger people, who have a hard time picking up on this stuff. Eventually, you do learn the metaphors people use and can kinda "get it". I wouldn't put too much weight into this.

The part that you're saying..where you're assuming people are being negative, is a bit concerning. I wouldn't say this aligns with AS, but definitely points to trust issues. this may relate to why you never had a relationship. The question you need to go after on this is the true reason why you haven't had a relationship. Do you actually desire one and it's a matter of trusting someone? Is it actually out of non-interest? People with AS can, and often do, desire more human interaction despite the fact it feels "odd". Not everyone though..and the level of social interaction for those with AS is often less and desired less, than NTs.

* The technical processes of things like computers, phones, manuals etc, are not easy to me, my brain just turns off and loses interest when confronted with technical information.

Computers, phones, etc all point to the idea of predictability - and the desire for predictability. This doesn't mean you need to like these to meet this criteria. Do you have routine useful, and get stressed out when the routine changes? Do you notice more patterns even in artistic or in general life stuff?

For example, I've counted the steps from one floor to the next in the engineering building for fun once. I also counted the steps it took to get to the lab I work in. Noticed some interesting patterns for speaker covers in the dentist's office, and was curious why they "messed up" in some ways. These have nothing to do with computers, but you may associate with.

* Supermarkets do not terrify me, unless they have horrid dim artificial lighting and dreary aesthetics, even then, they just depress me.


Anxiety and AS overlap, but this has more to do with social anxiety than AS. You don't have to be fearful of supermarkets to have AS.

* My brain doesn't store numerous facts when I'm obsessing, I store visuals, and my obsessions are usually visually oriented.

There's a post a few topics down that talks about this. "ways of thinking" or something to that effect. You should read that. Lots of people are visually oriented, on the AS scale too. If you're storing "numerous visuals", you fit as well.

* I don't act oddly in public (as far as I'm aware). I don't rock, or tap, or flap. I get very childlike when I'm excited and jump up and down and sing, but I always assumed that was normal.

I mess with my hands a lot when I'm nervous and in public, but most people I've talked to think I act normally enough in public.

As far as being childlike..yeah, I am too, in way too many ways. Jumping up and down and singing? yeah, I do that sometimes too.

* I usually get jokes, I watch a lot of comedy and I laugh at the funny bits, don't much understand this one.

Sarcasm is usually pointed at more than jokes for this one. The fact you get a joke and laugh, that's fine. The question is how easily do you get sarcasm? There's someone I know on the scale further than I am, and she gets the sarcasm I give toward her. I also get sarcasm in some situations, but not others. My boss has had to say quite often that "i'm joking", because I wouldn't get it.

* I can tell when I have gone on too long and the other person is losing interest and getting bored, but then that could be another negative assumption. (I make a lot of these).

Again, this is a learned trait. You may have picked up on it over time. I can also tell when the other person's lost interest, but I'm not sure how quickly I'm able to tell it. They may be making it more apparent, maybe not, I don't know. I tend just not to talk to too many people if I can help it.

*Can't remember the rest of these right now either, but there a few things that keep popping up that I don't even understand, let alone identify with.
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And you're unlikely to identify with everything.

Gotta keep in mind here..AS is really only worth getting diagnosed if it's something that's negatively impacting your life, or if it's something that you can learn from and use to your advantage. AS isn't a badge of any kind and if you don't believe your life will improve with the knowledge of yes/no, or be helped at all, then don't go with the diagnosis. We, in this forum capacity, can't really tell you if you have AS or not, though.

Hopefully this helps.
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Re: Does this sound like AS?

Postby slugger » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:17 pm

I pretty much ditto what TDT said (he often saves me a lot of time by reading my mind and typing it out LOL)

So all I have to do is add a couple of thoughts to what he said. First, females (like myself) tend to not show AS as obviously as guys do. I also share some of your not-so-aspie traits, like understanding humor and not flapping my hands, I don't hate going to places where there's people, so long as it's not TOO crowded, and people don't think I'm robotic or weird. I also don't remember a lot of facts.

However, I do have my obsessions (like puzzle games and crafts), and I do need to move my hands constantly. I took up knitting so I'd have something for my hands to do while watching TV! When I got diagnosed, the psychologist was going to put down that I was PPD-NOS, because she didn't notice any obsessions and my hands didn't flap. But when I told her that I do have obsessions, they're just not obvious and I don't talk about them all the time, and that my hands are in constant motion even though I tend to hide it, she changed her diagnosis to Aspergers.

It sounds like you (like me) have learned to hide much of your symptoms so they're not obvious, and that's actually typical of female aspies.
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Re: Does this sound like AS?

Postby TDT » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:31 am

slugger wrote:I pretty much ditto what TDT said (he often saves me a lot of time by reading my mind and typing it out LOL)


*hides mind-reading cap* :)
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Re: Does this sound like AS?

Postby positivelyportrayed » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:32 pm

Hey, TDT and slugger ... you have saved me even more time :D

Lots of possible suggestive factors here - you show certain traits but none of us here can diagnose, as I am sure you are aware. However, don't be put off by your "reasons not" as such , as progressing into adulthood often includes coping strategies that do not mean absence of ASD, especially if you are at the very high-functioning end of the spectrum (for want of a better expression). The bottom line is that if you are seriously concerned, then go for an assessment with a suitably qualified and knowledgeable professional (and I cannot stress the latter two qualities enough). I personally know some "professionals" who have beliefs about ASD based purely on personal preconceptions rather than research evidence, and they should be avoided at all costs!

Good luck in any case and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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