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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby AlAtBar » Sat May 14, 2011 7:38 pm

Many are likely malignant narcissists.
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby ajr8 » Sun May 15, 2011 12:56 am

I don't think all serial killers are psychopaths internally, many of them probably have severe levels of paraphilias if their murders have a sexual element. Dahmer was a necrophiliac and he was desperately lonely, the only interaction with other people he ever had was with his victims before he killed them. Everyone probably considers him a psychopath because his crimes are definitely antisocial and your actions are all that matter to the police or to doctors and therapists who treat violent criminals. You can be as remorseful and empathetic as you want but if you have a pile of bodies under your belt you are still a psychopath to everyone, even if you are not a real one in theory.
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby Steve-o » Sun May 15, 2011 1:06 am

ajrocker8 wrote:You can be as remorseful and empathetic as you want but if you have a pile of bodies under your belt you are still a psychopath to everyone

If you're not remorseful or empathetic do you think that makes you a psychopath?

I ask, because it seems like that's the common assumption, but my doctor doesn't think so.
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby wooster » Sun May 15, 2011 1:18 am

ajrocker8 wrote: You can be as remorseful and empathetic as you want but if you have a pile of bodies under your belt you are still a psychopath to everyone, even if you are not a real one in theory.
Is being a highly empathetic and apologetic necrophiliac a lesser stigma than being a psychopath? :? Looks like psychopathy got a real bad rap in the common parlance - people use it as an umbrella term for everything, from paraphiliacs to retards & etc.
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby Onebravegirl » Sun May 15, 2011 1:22 am

I dont think so. What came to mind was when a person is a murderer and sent to death row. The family of the victim come to the execution. Are they Psychopaths? I dont think so. I think they get so deep in grief that they think execution will make them feel a sense of justice being done. From what I have read though, it doesnt help much.
I saw this movie called The last house on the left. In my mind, the parents are as much Psychopaths as the others in the film.
But I am sure it wasnt based on a real life story, so whats that worth? Dunno.
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby ajr8 » Sun May 15, 2011 1:24 am

fiveintime wrote:
ajrocker8 wrote:You can be as remorseful and empathetic as you want but if you have a pile of bodies under your belt you are still a psychopath to everyone

If you're not remorseful or empathetic do you think that makes you a psychopath?

I ask, because it seems like that's the common assumption, but my doctor doesn't think so.


Good question, my first reply would be yes absolutely. If you can kill dozens of people for psychological reasons without ever feeling compassion or remorse, most people will consider you a psychopath, including scientists and doctors who specialize in psychopaths. But these constructs are all too theoretical and they don't necessarily apply to most people in real life. My guess is actual psychopaths are very rare but antisocial personality is much more common but it's not at all the same as psychopath and not as severe an illness either. At least that's my humble opinion.

If your doctors disagrees maybe he feels there are other factors that lead to a lack of any emotional responses to other people. It could turn out there are other explanations for those problems besides just being a psychopath, such as various forms of autism for example.
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby Demon » Sun May 15, 2011 1:30 am

fiveintime wrote:If you're not remorseful or empathetic do you think that makes you a psychopath?

I ask, because it seems like that's the common assumption, but my doctor doesn't think so.


I'm curious, are you saying that if I saw your doctor and told him that I'm a serial killer and I feel no guilt, empathy or remorse whatsoever, he wouldn't conclude that I might be a psychopath?
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby ajr8 » Sun May 15, 2011 1:41 am

In general, most people feel guilty after doing something wrong. Some people, such as psychopaths, do not feel guilty after doing something wrong. And then some people do feel guilty about doing something wrong, but feeling guilty does not stop them from doing it. They do it anyway. That's how I feel when I deliberately choose bad decisions. Guilt will not stop me, only the fear of getting caught does.
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby Demon » Sun May 15, 2011 1:43 am

I never feel guilt over anything.

ajrocker8 wrote:And then some people do feel guilty about doing something wrong, but feeling guilty does not stop them from doing it. They do it anyway. That's how I feel when I deliberately choose bad decisions. Guilt will not stop me, only the fear of getting caught does.


If you feel guilt, then you must also feel remorse, right? How do you deal with that, I mean, if you continue to do the same thing anyway?
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Re: Psychopathy and Serial Killers

Postby wooster » Sun May 15, 2011 1:49 am

Demon wrote:I never feel guilt over anything.
That might be because you avoid doing anything what would result in feeling guilty. You're aware of your guilt-treshold - you're in control of your conscience. You differentiate acts from fantasy.
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