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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby crystal_richardson_ » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:47 pm

so wait do psychopaths elicit feelings of eeriness and revulsion, or intrigue?

i don't understand. you went from one to the other.

intrigue usually is a positive thing?
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby justonemoreperson » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:53 am

crystal_richardson_ wrote:
intrigue usually is a positive thing?


It depends on the person. What some find unnerving others find intriguing.
I'm not arguing, I'm explaining why I'm right.
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby justonemoreperson » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:19 am

People have used this phenomenon to elicit strong reactions from people using subtlety, taking a familiar human image and warping it to cause the uncanny valley effect. Some examples:

Munch's "The Scream" is an example of this, where the head shape and mouth are used to warp the human image to enhance the effect.
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Similar, and probably copying Munch to an extent, was this mask used effectively in a series of movies:

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And there's a lot of people who wouldn't want one of these sat at the foot of their bed:

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But these are fairly blatant examples. There also exists the effect that is far more subtle and revolves around our intuition or, to refer to it more accurately, people's ability to read subtle body and language queues to read someone. If these are "off" or unusual in some way then it can cause the same effect, which was the point of my initial post: "There's something not quite right about him."

This is something I've had said to me since I was a child and it's difficult to counteract because you can't "try" to fix these issues without making the effect worse. The only real way to counteract the effect is by using humour and / or emphasising the differences to make it amusing. By doing so you can change unnerving to intriguing, to an extent.
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby julllia » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:45 am

but about the scream if you empathize you are supposed to feel horror. it is not the same with the puppet and is difficult to explain. it transmits to you how horror feels, while the puppet is just disgusting.
the scream is symbolic and you can empathize with a feeling of horror,you can't empathize with the puppet. is disgust but without emotional empathy.is incredibly difficult to explain why it feels different
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby julllia » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:55 am

paintings evoke feelings through emotional empathy,the puppet doesn't do it.or even if you try to think the artist and the meaning and the reason and evoke a feeling as art ,is a bad feeling of disgust (for me at least).i can't empathize ,while with the painting you can emotionally empathize.
that is so strange to explain but it feels different that is why i tried at least,not sure why,it just feels different
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby julllia » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:26 am

now i am angry with the guys that make puppets. eh...even the symbolism is the most repulsive thing. you make a deformed soulless cursed doll with strings to control. if you see it this way is even worse.i want to burn the whole thing and kill it.
while the painting has emotional empathy, with someone who has felt horror. you want to understand it and help it or intrigued, while the doll you want to kill it together with the artist
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby caspin » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:48 am

julllia wrote:now i am angry with the guys that make puppets. eh...even the symbolism is the most repulsive thing. you make a deformed soulless cursed doll with strings to control. if you see it this way is even worse.i want to burn the whole thing and kill it.
while the painting has emotional empathy, with someone who has felt horror. you want to understand it and help it or intrigued, while the doll you want to kill it together with the artist

thats your problem, not mine. I like dolls like on that picture.
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby julllia » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:44 pm

i know that our empathy is not the same . plus people do not like the same art for example in general and empathize with different things,
maybe you relate and empathize more with the doll situation but i want to kill it and i don't, but it seems for the majority of people puppets are in the uncanny valley so maybe closer to what i feel.
i know i feel disgusted by puppets very much,more than others even
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby Courtier » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:00 pm

Cool thread. Agree more or less. Pointless post but I want to come back to it - more likely to do so if I have the star icon next to the title.
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Re: The Uncanny Valley - Explains attraction?

Postby caspin » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:06 pm

julllia wrote:i know that our empathy is not the same . plus people do not like the same art for example in general and empathize with different things,
maybe you relate and empathize more with the doll situation but i want to kill it and i don't, but it seems for the majority of people puppets are in the uncanny valley so maybe closer to what i feel.
i know i feel disgusted by puppets very much,more than others even

yes I like the feeling from the puppet.
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