Free Will

Do you believe that you have free will?

If yes, why do you believe this?
If not, how do you feel about this?

I don't know about free will. It could be possible, but that would be as unexplainable as ghosts.

No free will BUT we must act as there is free will for life to make sense and to make choices that make sense.

i think people have free will to the extent that they are detached from or are not susceptible to consequences for their actions/choices.

crystal_richardson_ wrote:i think people have free will to the extent that they are detached from or are not susceptible to consequences for their actions/choices.

Do you think people with [severe] ASPD should get punished? I'm just asking for your opinion. I have ASPD, and I think I should not get punishment, simply because I don't fully understand the wrongness of my actions. I don't think you can be both ASPD and morally aware.

But a lot of people on this forum seem to think that ASPD know what they are doing, or that they know it's "wrong", while people without conscience don't think about stuff as wrong.

i know what it's like to have drives beyond your control, or to put it in simple terms: being simply unable to stop a self-destructive behaviour

like currently i am at my limit for prosocial fitting in, yet i am doing a lot of things behind the scenes that could get me into trouble, or which will inevitably be an issue for me later on. yet i cannot change...

so i understand the aspd predicament to some extent, and it's more than just lacking a conscience.

so with that, no i dont' think Aspd - true Aspd, those who suffer from unstoppable self-destructive tendencies - should be imprisoned because...wtf?

society created this problem, so they fix it. throwing people in prison is not fixing the problem. and Aspd is not natural and to the extent it does play on natural drives and impulses there exists societies that deal with those a hell of a lot better such that Aspd doesn't happen or occurs at a significantly reduced frequency.

you can be aspd and morally aware but just not care or rather those morals do nothing to stop your behaviour, which doesn't feel like a choice.

crystal_richardson_ wrote:i know what it's like to have drives beyond your control, or to put it in simple terms: being simply unable to stop a self-destructive behaviour

like currently i am at my limit for prosocial fitting in, yet i am doing a lot of things behind the scenes that could get me into trouble, or which will inevitably be an issue for me later on. yet i cannot change...

so i understand the aspd predicament to some extent, and it's more than just lacking a conscience.

so with that, no i dont' think Aspd - true Aspd, those who suffer from unstoppable self-destructive tendencies - should be imprisoned because...wtf?

society created this problem, so they fix it. throwing people in prison is not fixing the problem. and Aspd is not natural and to the extent it does play on natural drives and impulses there exists societies that deal with those a hell of a lot better such that Aspd doesn't happen or occurs at a significantly reduced frequency.

This description is mostly accurate IMO. Society is forcing people to be a certain human being. But it's the lack of conscience that makes people with ASPD uncaring about change as long as they can avoid negative consequences.

you can be aspd and morally aware but just not care or rather those morals do nothing to stop your behaviour, which doesn't feel like a choice.

I don't believe this. If the morals do nothing to stop your behavior, it could be an impuls problem. And not all impuls problems can be ascribed to ASPD. But yes, when you do thing outside your control, it feels like it's not a choice. I can be so impulsive that I do something before I even think about it - I never saw my own deed coming.

I see 'free will' as a concept related to the concept of soul. As in very abstract and hard to pin down.

We are really just bags of flesh with very well developed brains and circuitry. Our behaviour is determined by the operation of our body and brain. So I don't think 'free will' is applicable here. It would be more applicable in the context of religion or another product of our thinking.

I don't think I should be punished for anything I do, I'm just doing what I do. But people want to have a way of protecting themselves from people who hurt them, and the simplest two ways are:
a) hurting people before they can hurt you, which would likely make society impossible;
b) announcing that if people hurt you, they will later be hurt by other people.

I think that if a) is not an option and b) doesn't always work, a c) should be implemented. But good luck figuring out a c) that could be applied in reality.

ASPD should be imprisoned, maybe not from his POV , but it will be better for majority and even though he won't learn $#%^ , he's an animal and avoids things that can harm him

stupid concept imo

even the words don't make sense. free relative to what? being confined by cause and effect? and will means? my will? the universal will? the ability to do whatever you want? which is defined by everything that it isn't, and so has nothing to do with you at all?

free will is the reason people are so easy to play and impossible to control - everyone thinks they are in the driving seat.

Chainsaw wrote:

crystal_richardson_ wrote:i think people have free will to the extent that they are detached from or are not susceptible to consequences for their actions/choices.

Do you think people with [severe] ASPD should get punished? I'm just asking for your opinion. I have ASPD, and I think I should not get punishment, simply because I don't fully understand the wrongness of my actions. I don't think you can be both ASPD and morally aware.

But a lot of people on this forum seem to think that ASPD know what they are doing, or that they know it's "wrong", while people without conscience don't think about stuff as wrong.

someone said better what i am trying to say often,so i am gonna just quote:
" limited accountability usually comes with limited rights"